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Wanna know yalls ways of getting a dog to tree with or without a trainer dog. I usely just pull a caged coon up a tree but we all know that want get them to really tree when its not a caged coon when that happens I tie the dog back while the other dogs trees if he opens up I praise him maybe shoot the coon out to the other dogs but don't let the pup get eny of it it has help more then its hurt

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I wont fool with one long that doesnt show alot of interest in gettin treed, but i have had luck letting a coon loose in a field and cuttin the pup loose so it gets close just as the coon climbs and the pup smells it and sees it climb at the same time. you need a big mowed hay field with just one tree and good timeing.

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Better breeding! Some things just can not be taught.

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I wish I could help you, but personally I have never owned a dog that wouldn't tree, I thnk you are barking up the wrong tree friend., don't take this wrong but I would get a different dog and cut my losses.


Most dogs these days are bred with to much tree IMO

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It's not about me haven a dog that want tree its just getting views of people ways of training I believe most of these top studs wouldn't of been what they are if the guy who trained them didn't bring thier full potential out you can give a dog that could make a comp winning fool to a guy who can't train so the dog will never be really but a half ass coon dog but give a guy who knows tricks to pull the dogs potential out a half ass dog an he could actually get the dog to a decent dog I know of three dogs winning hunts around here if enyone hunted them would want the dog or to breed to them but as young dogs under 2 you couldn't pay to make them tree an no they ain't me to dogs eather It's like what I stated the trainer helped these dogs reach full potential.

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watch tailgate adventures ed meade show if you can ! what ed say's your going backwards when you let a pup see the coon you want them to tree by scent not sight ! lay a drag rub the tree up good with scent and see if they will tree by scent this can be done in the daytime ! i really enjoyed the ed meade show if you can't find it send a pm oak ridge or deschmidt27 they should be able to help its worth watching

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The best reproducer can not reproduce traits taught, they can only reproduce the traits that they have inherited! Top dogs are a product of many nights in the woods no great hound was ever made at home in the pen. So in my opinion the best way to help a hound reach their top potential is to give it as much opportunity as possible to develop their inherited traits. Some things can be taught & tweaked. But as far as coon treeing ability lets face it, not all dogs are created equal. Lucky for us as hunters there is a lot of different styles to chose from. So the most important part of training is pick a pup from a family of coonhounds which style suits you best because you can not train a dog to be something that it was not bred to be. The only way a half ass trainer can detour a top hound from reaching their protential is to not give it a chance. So in short there is not really much training required in training a top hound just sharing many, many nights in the woods together and enjoy the ride!

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I don't mess with a pup at all on a tree. I have heard it all from getting a 6 week old pup to tree a an Oscar Myer Wiener to cage coon. LOL When you got one and only one little pup to train you get all hot and bothered about so called treeing. LOL If you have old trained dogs and young trained dogs and some pups tagging around you don't worry much about it . You would much prefer to walk in and see a pup TREEING not barking cause of petting or thinking that is what you want cause of cage coon or a weeny . Some are late bloomers and produce the fruit on second year wood. and produce year after year thereafter. Some are Peanuts, do their thing in year one and it's about over. Depends on what you want and need . Easy these days to find one that suits your wants and needs.

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I've owned a few top stud dogs in my opinion. The only things I ever taught it to do was come to me when called, load up in the box, and hey pup, that's a coon... The rest he taught himself. The only thing after that was providing travel to and from woods. Most importantly, LOTS of woods time!!!

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ruined two of the best pups i ever got by using cage coons and turning coons out in front of them. If they will not do it on coon scent and maybe one cage coon then they may not make it.

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That's a tough one, pups are way different, some are way too tree minded, some not so much, and some just what we want! My experience, I turned my pup loose on a coon and that coon made a bee line to the woods. My pup nearly grabbed him as he climbed that tree, and he watched him climb. He went past that tree, and started trailing. I caught him and beat the crap out of him because he didn't do what I thought he should have done. I got to looking for that coon and couldn't find it, but that dog I just beat on went to a tree about 10 yards from where that coon climbed, and rolled up on that tree! Well, I shined that tree, and there sat that coon. He did what he was bred to do, not what I thought he should have done.

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Sometime a dog has to get in a little scrap before they tree. It lights a fire under thier ars, if you know what I mean. Something clicks and they realize this isn't all play time out here.

Part of the growing up process.

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If all else Fails "Getting Bit by a Pissed Off Coon" will eather Make-em or Break-em .... Theres nothing too loose at that point ..

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i've got a kemmer gyp, 2 yr old, that trees coons and squirrels. i never did anything to train her but take her to the woods. she started hunting and treeing right away. i've never knocked a coon out to her either. now i don't shoot any coons and only once in a while will i let them have a possum. i let them run fox, rabbits, squirrels, coon, possums, bear and ferral cats. i'm hunting squirrels now with each of my dogs. i have a stephens cur, a kemmer cur and plott. the only time i trap a coon now is to move one from a developed area to keep it from being run over on the road.

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I take a pup with the old dog from the time it is big anuff to go and keep up and if it shows it wants to the coon at 2 mounts old well i tie the old dog back and will let it have it now some it has made coon crazy some it dont but i have found if ya got one from good coondogs it works jmo.

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Natural ability to go huntin and tree are traits that I believe are bred into them. You can pull your hair out trying this and that to get them to do either but my opinion is if you have exposed them to enough that they should be showing something then they just dont have it

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its bred in them to tree coons,if it aint,all the tricks in the world aint going to work. the main thing getting a dog to tree is hunt the hair off them and put em in coons,if there bred right they will go to treeing coons.if it was me instead of showing a dog a coon in a cage,i would just take him hunting where i think there are coons and do this as long as you can stand it.lol

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Sometime a dog has to get in a little scrap before they tree. It lights a fire under thier ars, if you know what I mean. Something clicks and they realize this isn't all play time out here.

Part of the growing up process.

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Frankensiten, I sure you have sound reasoning for your statement. However, not all of us were born world class trainers. Some of us have to learn as we go. I agree with your statement that some people just are not trainers and it usually takes a few failures for them to realize that. Others do not have the resources (good coon population etc.) to get the maximum potential from a dog. Most of us do the best we can we what we have to work with. There in lies the reason for this site. The only bad question is the one never asked. Its not the destination but the journey who defines who we are as houndsman.

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If someone doesn't point out the mistakes there will be more made by upcoming novice trainers. Not letting a pup get eat up I felt was a "common sense" thing but wanted to make sure a novice didn't ruin another pup with this method. Some pups can handle it but most can't, why take the gamble. Letting a pup get eat up is the most ignorant thing to let happen period! Someone to suggest this method to a new trainer is being absolutley irresponsible and I don't care who it pisses off,it's wrong. and someone that defends this method is being even more irresponsible. It has nothing to do with coon population or enviromental conditions.

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turnen a coon on a pup will ruin them but when thier nutts drop an they get ruin from (fighting a coon) they were ment to be cures I'm not a novice I have a few top handlers around here they will back me up I'm ask to train an handle dogs alot could it be because I train an had two dogs grandnighted befor ten? Prolly not it is prolly because I have high standerds on a dog three dogs I have trained inthe last year were so called ruin 16 month olds dogs guys that had them befor me ruined but they are tricks to getting a dog to do stuff when it is (ruin) a lot of culls are actually ruin dogs with enough time an patience you can bring that dog around eny top trainers will agree not tryen to bash you but I'll pay for your gas to come get your ass whooped by real coondogs and handlers pkc rules or ukc?

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turnen a coon on a pup will ruin them but when thier nutts drop an they get ruin from (fighting a coon) they were ment to be cures I'm not a novice I have a few top handlers around here they will back me up I'm ask to train an handle dogs alot could it be because I train an had two dogs grandnighted befor ten? Prolly not it is prolly because I have high standerds on a dog three dogs I have trained inthe last year were so called ruin 16 month olds dogs guys that had them befor me ruined but they are tricks to getting a dog to do stuff when it is (ruin) a lot of culls are actually ruin dogs with enough time an patience you can bring that dog around eny top trainers will agree not tryen to bash you but I'll pay for your gas to come get your ass whooped by real coondogs and handlers pkc rules or ukc?

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What defines a real" Coondog"? What does asswhoopin have to do with dog trainin?

"A couple more asswhoopins from that coon and ol Ranger will be a top coondog"!

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