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Location: Burlington, CT
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I don't admire UKC having to decide a World Hunt Finals location, that would satisfy the majority, and share the benefit of hosting such an event. But here's some thoughts to bear in mind, for all of you that would like it in your backyard...

I can almost buy the rationale of having it somewhere where the coon are more scarce, as then it would take a "coon dog" to win, but it also takes a coon to win! And it takes a guide that can find that coon, to deliver a winner. When you have a hunt that starts out with a multitidue of casts, and you're in country without a lot of coon, you've just made it more of a lottery than a coon hunt!

That's because you now not only have to have a coon dog, and he or she has to have a good night, and they have to beat the other dogs, but you also have to rely on having a guide that can put your coon dog, into coon! In other words, not every cast has an even playing field, as there is much more reliance on the guides than anything else.

If you hunt where the coon are plentiful, chances are your guide will put you in coon, even if by random chance. And if they don't, your dog doesn't have to get a mile out of pocket (or out of hearing) to find a coon. And... chances are all casts will be put in coon, since they're so plentiful, and you can see which is the best coon dog, as opposed to who had the best guide.

I see a lot of posts, asking for people to vote on where the World Hunt should be, and it seems to me that their's more emotion than analysis, going into those requests.

Just my opinion, and yes I happen top be blessed with some great hunting and tons of coon, but I'm not asking anyone to put a hunt in my backyard, just somewhere, where all the casts will have a fighting chance at scoring a coon, without the necessity of good luck or a feeder bucket.

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Location: Kentucky
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I think what it boils down to is people want the world hunt to be in a location where the hunting is similar to their home hunting grounds. It puts them at a disadvantage to hunt elsewhere, can't argue that it's just the way it is.


For example for me to enter a world hunt and then have to travel to Indiana to hunt in it puts my dog into hunting that she is not at all used to. Cornfields, fencerows and patch woods hunting with a lot of coon is a far cry from hardwood river bottoms and hillsides with thin coon. With a good guide in Indiana all dogs should be struck and treed within a few minutes, probably several of them split. A good guide here and you may get a coon in the first half hour of the hunt and if your dog isn't there it's probably too deep through the country to hear.

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Thick coon, thin coon.....I dont care.

Just keep the drive under 20 hours...

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If you drive 10 hours, and are amongst multiple casts that did not so much as see a coon, you might care.

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If you drive 10 hours, and are amongst multiple casts that did not so much as see a coon, you might care.

David Schmidt

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If you drive 10 hours, and are amongst multiple casts that did not so much as see a coon, you might care.

David Schmidt

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Better 10 than 20...

Regaurdless of how, 75 of the final 100 are done hunting Thursday night.

I am under no illusions, the world hunt will NEVER EVER, be in my back yard, nor should it be. Best I can hope for is a reasonable drive.

Im not qute feeling greedy enough to ask for thick coon as well....

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When 100 of the best dogs in the world produce 7 dead casts the very first night, "lottery" is a good way to describe it. And it purty much proves you missed the target when you picked that location.

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How many coon was seen sitting up during the first two hours of the final cast?

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How many coon was seen sitting up during the first two hours of the final cast?

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Location: North GA
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I have to hunt thin coon yr round. Sucks but that's what we have. Hills to. They are rough. We have plenty of dead casts. Have to head south of here a good ways to get in any amount of coon. Id never want a world hunt here. It needs to be flat with bunches of coon. If I have one good enough to go. Id like to see a coon treeing contest! Not a coon finding contest. I already know mine can find one

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I'm not trying to poke at the recent World hunt, I didn't qualify nor participate. But I often see requests on this forum to have hunts in similar locations, in that they're not known for a lot of coon.

And yes, I know dead casts happen. And that's the risk you take when you put a $20 down at the local club. But when you're hosting a competition, or trying for a chance to host a competition, to determine who has the World's Best, that year, it should not be as much a lottery or a gamble.

IF you have thin coon, or the majority of the guides you have to offer have very thin coon, you have no business taking on that responsibility. It doesn't matter if you have one guide with tons of coon, that the final four cast get to reap the benefit of, if dozens of other casts didn't get a fair shake.

This is the responsibility of the host club, they are to choose qualified guides and judges. There are several attributes to consider in that decision, but for the guide portion, I would assume the ability to guide a cast to coon, is a major consideration. And if you know that your club area, county, state or otherwise doesn't hardly have any coon, you shouldn't be throwing your name into the hat.

Again, I'm not asking you to hunt in my backyard, and I'm not saying all the guides' places need to be covered up in coon, but if most of the guides are going to come back with a score of zero, regardless of who they draw, then you did those competitors a disservice.

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500 Friday night and 450 Saturday night won the slam. The casts went back to some of the same woods hunted in the world. Maybe more to it than just lack of coons.

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Thats why you hunt P.K.C you don't have to have plus points to win if you are put in such a area. circle,plus,minus it still pays $30,000!!!!

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Thats why you hunt P.K.C you don't have to have plus points to win if you are put in such a area. circle,plus,minus it still pays $30,000!!!!

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Im with GA Dawg the 100 dogs that make it there have prove there self they can find a coon put them in coons and let it be a race to the tree. I aint saying turn on feeder buckets but at least have a few really good spots that aint been hunted or shot to death. I could care less where it is coons smell the same here and every where else. I hunted the zones and got put in a dead cast the first night and 1 coon the second night you cant exspect a dog to preform at its best if it has nothing to go by. JMO

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When do we judge a COON DOG on slick or circle trees? Not in U K C thank godness.

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When do we judge a COON DOG on slick or circle trees? Not in U K C thank godness.

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i was there some of the local hunters said the weather had changed so fast the coons were not moving. the week before we got there it was in the 90s and i dont think it got above the mid 70s during the day and in the lower 60s at night. 0ne of the cast score on two coons and seen four setting up they said thats where the final cast hunted on saturday night. a couple of the cast came in with min points the first round not that they didnt see a coon couldnt overcome the min. second round had 2 or 3 that didnt score a coon by themselve i know no man said his dog just wouldnt go hunting. had a lot of fun just a long drive 8 hours. but i would do it again at the same place. hope to see some of u at the next world hunt maybe it willbe in my backyard here in KY.

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The WORLD could be in the coon capitol of the world and there would still be a bunch of crying. What do you that have make a post on this think?

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When do we judge a COON DOG on slick or circle trees? Not in U K C thank godness.

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I went to Shreveport and LOVED the woods we hunted. What I didn't care for was hunting 2 nights and both nights being sent to public land. To me wherever the World Hunt is held should be able to put 26 casts in woods that aren't hunted to death.

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Public land... In Texas, in east Texas, there is more public land to hunt than Indiana, Ohio, and louisiana combined. I guarantee you it ain't hunted to death. Most of it has never been hunted. Unless you are the type that. An walk across half of the state. These lands aren't patch woods either. They are I've timber hardwood forests. Not to mention the private tracts. The world hunt was held in Crockett tx in 1992 with a huge turn out. I don't care where you have it coon hunt attendance is way down. Question, how many times has the world champ been held in indiana???

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I can see your point but not all public woods are hunted to death around here. Just the one's that are close to the road for the fair weather hunters.

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I would rather hunt in thick coon. Win or lose. Its a hell of alot funner. I hunt walker days every year . Have won a few times and have lost a bunch. I always have fun. One year they held it in Cadiz KY. It was miserable. Rough country, thin coons and horrible guides. Keep it North. Lots more enjoyable.

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I have hunted with some of the top coonhounds in the country and I will tell you this a dog is a dog they are not perfect and neither are any of us. There are going to be nights were things just don't go as planned if you hunted long enough you know what I mean. I have seen some top coondogs win on circle points does that make that dog a non-coondog I don't think so its just the way it goes sometimes. One more thing Mr. Meyer if you were in the final cast of the U.K.C. World Hunt and you had 200 circle points and the other three had all minused out would you say well all I have is circle points so I guess nobody wins the world hunt? Or would you think in your own mind that you were the World Hunt winner?

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