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Dogs B, C, and D should have never been recasted.

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Dog A,B,C, and D are struck in that order. Dog A gets treed and I put the 5 on him. 5 runs out and tree is closed. B,C, and D continue trailing down the hollow and get treed. I advise the handler of dog A to handle his dog and do not shine until we get there. Dog A is handled, and in the mean time, all other handlers of dogs B,C, and D handle their dogs because they are closest, and we already know that dog A is handled. We scored the tree of dog B,C, and D as circled, and the guide insisted of casting back towards dog A because this was the only place he had to hunt. I was totally against the idea of casting towards dog A (who's tree was closed), but he was the guide and had no where else to hunt. When the dogs are re-cast, they are all struck in and eventually end up treed with dog A who has been handled for some time. Everyone assumes that they are treeing with dog A and no one calls their dog treed except for handler of dog B. When we arrive, Dog A is handled on a big popler tree, and dogs B,C, and D are treeing on a obviously slick sapling. The only dog treed in was dog B, so we agreed to minus him strike and tree. Dogs C, and D had their strike points deleted (because no coon was seen), and dog A got circled. I feel that I made the right decision. The argument that happened was this: Handler of dog B argued that hadler of dog A tied his dog up at the big poplar and insisted that his dog was treed on it. He claimed that the guy probably found his dog on the sapling, seen it was slick, and tied him on the poplar. He accused me because I didnt walk to the tree initially with handler of A.

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No, its not a joke, and yes I agree that dog B,C, and D should neve been re-casted but what was I supposed to do? The guide did'nt have anywhere else to hunt.

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Dogs B, C, and D should have never been recasted.

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B, C, D should not have been recast, scratchable offense
A should have been scored first
C,D should have been minus both ways for being on B's sapling

The answer to your question is no, this situation was not scored correctly.

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you should have went to dog a frist.than the orther dogs .but you didnt .and dogs b c d should not have been recast

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No, its not a joke, and yes I agree that dog B,C, and D should neve been re-casted but what was I supposed to do? The guide did'nt have anywhere else to hunt.

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C and D were not treed in. we agreed to delete their minus points because no coon was seen. Handler of dog A agreed to re-casting of other dogs

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No disrespect, but how did you ever end up with the score card? I'm not taking a shot at you...but the MOH that let this cast out the door.

Dogs should have never been recasted. And even if we look past that, you assign tree points and minus C and D for being on the slick tree when the judge arrived.

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I ended up with the score card because alot of people at the club believe that I will do the best I can and judge it fair. Majority of cast agreed to re-cast the dogs because there was very little time left. I was the only member who did'nt want to recast.

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Don't let it discourage you too much, the best lessons are the ones learned the hard way. When you carry that card, you have to take charge on situations like this. Should not have even been a cast vote on recasting, you just can't, if there is any question you look at the back of the card.

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Yes I agree with ya 100%, but when you don't want to recast, any judges decision can be overturned by a majority of cast vote. Correct?

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i agree with coopercreek, also when you send someone to handle their dog thats the chance you take, they can handle them on a better looking tree if they feel the need

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C and D were not treed in. we agreed to delete their minus points because no coon was seen. Handler of dog A agreed to re-casting of other dogs

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Yes I agree with ya 100%, but when you don't want to recast, any judges decision can be overturned by a majority of cast vote. Correct?

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Re-casting the dogs came up when the guide said he had no where else to hunt and that hunt time was about 10 minutes from being over. I know the rules very well. This is the only time that ive ever been put in this situation so I ask a simple right or wrong question. I was the judge. Everyone agreed to recast so thats what we did. There were no plus points on the card.

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you should of went to a tree first if it treed first and his tree was dead right

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If you know the rules very well then you would know that you can't recast dogs when all dogs are treed/handled. No amount of cast votes can overturn a rule. That would be like saying a cast voted to hunt 3 hours instead of 2 and its OK because majority voted in favor. A whole lot of things can be changed or overturned by majority vote but a rule isn't one of em.

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hopefully that scorecard will be thrown out, someone got an undeserved win. boy oh boy what a mess

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Re-casting the dogs came up when the guide said he had no where else to hunt and that hunt time was about 10 minutes from being over. I know the rules very well. This is the only time that ive ever been put in this situation so I ask a simple right or wrong question. I was the judge. Everyone agreed to recast so thats what we did. There were no plus points on the card.

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There wasnt a cast winner. Nobody had plus points. I just ask the scoring situation incase this ever happened to me again. I was told that this forum was helpful for that.

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I think the OP understands where things went wrong at this point.

Cranberry, Dont be too hard on yourself, in spite of what you read here or how on top of the rules some of these guys appear, we all make mistakes.

Truth be told, the vast majority of casts probably score somthing incorrectly in a 2 hr hunt.

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who cares if he knew the rules ,most of u guys bend them anyways, the last 2 hunts ive been too ,no one wanted to judge so i did,do i know the rules like most of the big handlers or cheaters no i dont , but at least i took the card and did my best

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The responsibility for situations like this rest with the CLUB sponsoring the hunt. Its not the MOH.s responsibility to have guides and judges that know the rules, thats the clubs responsibility. When my cast is drawn i want to hear.... Your judge will be...... and your guide will be..... Anything else is just asking for trouble. I wont start putting this guy down for being clueless about the rules but how would you like to drive a couple hours to a hunt and draw out on this cast?

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