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UKC night champion
PKC champion



I think it is much harder in PKC to make champion than it is in UKC.
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i would say ukc champion is harder but maybe faster to get. here is my reasoning


ukc night hunt you must tree real live raccon, and can minus out of a hunt. so you have to win your cast and have plus points and win a 1st place to be a nt.ch.

pkc you can win your cast with minus points and never have to be a overall winner to get paid, but to obtain the champion title it would take you more cast wins, which could be with or with out seeing a coon.

just my opinion

wade lucking

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'Pr' Lucking's Northern Red Tucker

AND THE PAST:
NT.CH.CH.LUCKING'S KN. LAKE TROOPER
NT.CH.GR.CH.LUCKING'S RAISIN KANE(son of trooper)
NT.CH.CH. LUCKING'S MAD MAGGIE(niece to tornado)
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NT.CH.GR.CH.L&I RED HOT WYLIE(son of tornado)
'pr'lucking's northern red cowgirl (daughter of wylie)(needs just a 1st given to mark barnett)
nt.ch.gr.ch.Lucking's Midnite Desperado (son of cowgirl)(sold to bill tabler)
Nt.Ch.Ch. Desperado's Midnite 3 D(son of Desperado) (given to larry tabler)

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Neither one of these titles is very hard to achieve. A Champion in PKC can be made in one hunt. Nt. Ch can be made in three hunts for UKC. So, if you look at it that way I guess Nt. Ch would be harder.

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Originally posted by wade lucking

ukc night hunt you must tree real live raccon, and can minus out of a hunt. so you have to win your cast and have plus points and win a 1st place to be a nt.ch.

pkc you can win your cast with minus points and never have to be a overall winner to get paid, but to obtain the champion title it would take you more cast wins, which could be with or with out seeing a coon.

just my opinion

wade lucking

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A HONEST TITLE WON IS THE BEST NO DOUBT. If a survey was run and all told the truth about if they cheated to make old joe a champion. How many would really have a champion ?

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hmmmm what a shame lol.

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in ukc you can have a bad guide, bad night, and get nothing for it by being the dog with the least amount of minus. in pkc you can have a bad night, bad guide not tree a coon, and still get paid. in ukc you can score 900 plus and get beat by another cast with 925 plus you get 2nd. in pkc you can have one cast score 0 points another score 300 and another cast come in with 400 minus and split the hunt. in ukc you have to be high scoring registerd in at leat 1 hunt(1st place win with plus points) to make nt.ch. in pkc all you have to do is win your cast regardless of score.

why don't pkc list the scores of the winners like ukc does?

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'Pr' Lucking's Code Red Mountain Dew ( Owned by chad porter and myself) ( Daughter of Desperado) 2 1st place wins ukc nite hunt. 1 best of show with comp , bench show.

'Pr' Lucking's Northern Red Tucker

AND THE PAST:
NT.CH.CH.LUCKING'S KN. LAKE TROOPER
NT.CH.GR.CH.LUCKING'S RAISIN KANE(son of trooper)
NT.CH.CH. LUCKING'S MAD MAGGIE(niece to tornado)
GR.CH.NT.CH.LUCKING'S RED TORNADO(son of trooper)
NT.CH.GR.CH.L&I RED HOT WYLIE(son of tornado)
'pr'lucking's northern red cowgirl (daughter of wylie)(needs just a 1st given to mark barnett)
nt.ch.gr.ch.Lucking's Midnite Desperado (son of cowgirl)(sold to bill tabler)
Nt.Ch.Ch. Desperado's Midnite 3 D(son of Desperado) (given to larry tabler)

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Originally posted by Driveshaft
hmmmm what a shame lol.

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lol lol lol not funny john .

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i would say the trophy's you accumulate making a nt ch weigh more than several hundred dollar bills...jmo

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Oak Ridge,

You said a mouthful. Why dont you guys head to the next PKC hunt in your area and see how much you can win with minus points. If you are gonna win much in any registry you better be packing a pretty good hound because you can bet that someone in your cast will be. Competition is tough around here. You better have a good hound and know the rules or you will be donating your money. I agree with PKC on having a cast winner no matter what. If you win your cast then you had the best dog of the four. I will guarantee that you wont win many with minus points. How can you beat a dog you arent hunting with ? You cant. So how can you say that a dog with plus points is a better dog than a dog that didnt score any plus on a different cast. You cant compare them unless they are turned loose from the same place at the same time.

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some pkc hunter ask answer these 2 ?'s

1. why doesn't pkc post the scores of the winning dogs like ukc does?

2. why split? why not hunt every cast off so all cast winners hunt off, get rid of the split option best hound wins.


just for the record why would anyone want to hunt a dog that couldn't tree a coon no matter if they are comp huntin ukc, pkc, or just pleasure hunting. the object of the game is to tree real live racoon so why does a dogs get rewarded for not doing so. i agree most win their cast with plus points but some do win with minus. we call it luck of the draw, and you say you better be packing a great hound if your going to compete well the truth is a great hound will get under a coon somewhere.

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'Pr' Lucking's Northern Red Tucker

AND THE PAST:
NT.CH.CH.LUCKING'S KN. LAKE TROOPER
NT.CH.GR.CH.LUCKING'S RAISIN KANE(son of trooper)
NT.CH.CH. LUCKING'S MAD MAGGIE(niece to tornado)
GR.CH.NT.CH.LUCKING'S RED TORNADO(son of trooper)
NT.CH.GR.CH.L&I RED HOT WYLIE(son of tornado)
'pr'lucking's northern red cowgirl (daughter of wylie)(needs just a 1st given to mark barnett)
nt.ch.gr.ch.Lucking's Midnite Desperado (son of cowgirl)(sold to bill tabler)
Nt.Ch.Ch. Desperado's Midnite 3 D(son of Desperado) (given to larry tabler)

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buckeye bud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
675 -0- no plus points and got 30,000 for his trouble

looks to me you don't have to tree a coon to win

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oak ridge have you ever won a cast with minus or 0 points or know anyone that has in pkc.

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'Pr' Lucking's Code Red Mountain Dew ( Owned by chad porter and myself) ( Daughter of Desperado) 2 1st place wins ukc nite hunt. 1 best of show with comp , bench show.

'Pr' Lucking's Northern Red Tucker

AND THE PAST:
NT.CH.CH.LUCKING'S KN. LAKE TROOPER
NT.CH.GR.CH.LUCKING'S RAISIN KANE(son of trooper)
NT.CH.CH. LUCKING'S MAD MAGGIE(niece to tornado)
GR.CH.NT.CH.LUCKING'S RED TORNADO(son of trooper)
NT.CH.GR.CH.L&I RED HOT WYLIE(son of tornado)
'pr'lucking's northern red cowgirl (daughter of wylie)(needs just a 1st given to mark barnett)
nt.ch.gr.ch.Lucking's Midnite Desperado (son of cowgirl)(sold to bill tabler)
Nt.Ch.Ch. Desperado's Midnite 3 D(son of Desperado) (given to larry tabler)

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No. I can honestly say that I have not ever won a PKC cast with minus points or with zero. I have never finished a cast with zero points....and have been beaten multiple times with minus points.

Guess I need a better dog!

Now ask me about the time that my Night Champion dog scored 975+ in a driving rain storm on a Friday Night at Autumn Oaks and was the high scoring Night Champion on Friday, but had to compete with the dogs that hunted in perfect condition on Saturday night.........you guessed it 1200+ and above. Ended up with fourth highest scoring Night Champion......how is that fair???????????

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i already said buckeye bud never seen a coon and won the pkc world !
no coon - no points just circle

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Wade,

It takes a good hound to win very much anywhere. I have won my cast in PKC with Minus and Circle but not very many of them because it is rare when minus or circle wins. There are a lot of PKC final 4s that are hunted off. Most of the time you draw the same dogs at a UKC hunt that you hunted against the week before at a PKC hunt. I am thankful for all regestries if there was only one they would charge us a hundred dollars to register a dog.

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Wade, I am in no way wanting to be disrespectful or argumentative with you but you wrote the following.
i would say ukc champion is harder but maybe faster to get. here is my reasoning
I think we look at this completely different and I feel the reason must not be we view these dogs so differently but due our geographic differences. A lot of people in this area go to a UKC hunt when nothing else is going on and it usually isn't to hard to win. Example, a buddy two weeks ago had no hunt to go to so he said well he might as well put a nt ch title on his dog. Took his dog to a ukc hunt scored 750 and picked up 1st place win. Where is the difficuly in this and you do it in your spare time when you have nothing else going on.

I also ask why you say a UKC degree is harder to get.
I get a dog ready to put in the hunts and I put it in open ukc hunt. Well your lucky if you draw one dog that can tree a coon and do it right. Go to a pkc hunt and you have that same young dog and your lucky you don't draw a grand night champion or two.
I think all dogs should hunt together anyways so it just makes it fun.

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oal ridge sorry i didn't comprehend the buckeye bud thing. i just wonder what would ahppen in ukc if the final cast did not tree a coon.


bruce your buddy did his homework on his hound and had him ready. most people are going to be hunting hounds that can get it done. but a cast of 4 good dogs is alot easier to work with that a cast of 1 good dog and 3 bad ones.

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'Pr' Lucking's Code Red Mountain Dew ( Owned by chad porter and myself) ( Daughter of Desperado) 2 1st place wins ukc nite hunt. 1 best of show with comp , bench show.

'Pr' Lucking's Northern Red Tucker

AND THE PAST:
NT.CH.CH.LUCKING'S KN. LAKE TROOPER
NT.CH.GR.CH.LUCKING'S RAISIN KANE(son of trooper)
NT.CH.CH. LUCKING'S MAD MAGGIE(niece to tornado)
GR.CH.NT.CH.LUCKING'S RED TORNADO(son of trooper)
NT.CH.GR.CH.L&I RED HOT WYLIE(son of tornado)
'pr'lucking's northern red cowgirl (daughter of wylie)(needs just a 1st given to mark barnett)
nt.ch.gr.ch.Lucking's Midnite Desperado (son of cowgirl)(sold to bill tabler)
Nt.Ch.Ch. Desperado's Midnite 3 D(son of Desperado) (given to larry tabler)

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UKC IS HARDER. PKC IS NOT HARD AT ALL

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I thought you had sense. Youve never even hunted PKC how do you KNow?? PKC packs a better caliber of dog from what Ive seen.


Wade you moron look at the PKC web site they post the scores of the cast winners on there.

Hmmm if I draw a crappy guide with no coon and my dog stays out of the whole and maybe gets a old den circled and the others fall on there face I feel I deserve a cast win. In UKC you can have 1000+ and some jag bag with a cell phone comes in with 1125+ right before deadline. I rather make my entryfee back than get a plastice trophy.

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whats a moron ?

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Once again we are dealing with geographics. Notice the ones that always say somebody will show you a coon are from Ill, Ind, etc where coon are thick.

This is the reason PKC is more respected up there, cause it is rare to have a winner with minus points, VERY RARE. Just look in the PKC book or on the website, them boys score on ole ricky quite regular.

In Middle Tennessee winning with least minus is common and PKC is not as well respected as UKC. There might be 3 to 5 dogs at a PKC hunt and 15-20 or more for the UKC hunts. It's just the opposite of what Bruce described and they laugh at the PKC minus point winners. It is just a matter of local perception and coon population.

A agree, if you are huntin an area with coons you better not be counting on winning with a plug not scoring anything. Somebody will show you a coon before the night is out and they will have the cast win and the money in their pocket.

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i agree less coon where you are at so all you can count on is the dog to get on a den and see a coon !
alot of pepole don't see as many coon in a month as we do in one night here in the north and we are lucky we have that many


by the way do you know where stonycreek is about 7 miles east of elizabethen ?

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LOOK I HUNT. GA., NC., IL., IN., MI., And I still tree coons so whats so hard about the other states. I have hunted in the water in GA., snow in IL.hills in NC. and if you do that and still tree coons what makes the other states so bad....

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