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RatDog
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2 n 2 whataya do?

4 dog cast. 2 say minus 2 say circle. whataya do?

4 dog cast. 2 say plus 2 say circle. whataya do?

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I THINK A TIE IS CIRCLED EITHER WAY.

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circle either way....


takes majority of cast or i THINK a non-hunting judge to plus or minus...RARELY see a non-hunting judge here so i dont know for certain...regular hunting judge though, a 2-2 vote is circle..

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Circle.

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IF ITS 2 SAYS PLUS AND 2 SAYS CIRCLE YOU GO WITH WHAT THE JUDGE VOTES,IT HAS TO BE A MAJORITY VOTE,IF A DONT MATTER IF THE JUDGE SAYS PLUS ONE SAYS MINUS AND TWO SAYS CIRCLE YOU GO WITH THE JUDGE,,IT TALKS ABOUT IT IN THE 2011 UKC ADVISOR PAGE 31

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Guys this is extremly simple! It takes a MAJORITY to plus or minus a tree ! ! !

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A tie vote gets circled. No matter what the judge votes to do. A hunting judge's vote carries no more weight then any other cast member when scoring a tree.

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read the advisor page 31 the score goes on what the judge votes if it is a tie it plainly state's and i quote "as you know you must have majority vote oin order to minusw a dog. rule 4(b) states points will be minus when dogs tree and (1)a non hunting judge or 2 2(2)a majority of casdt when a hunting judge is used,can plainly a see no coon is there. the kicker is "majprity of cast" the same goes for scoring plus points. rule 3(a)."coon must be seen by majority of cast" in a four dog cast majority would have to be at least three members voting to ,inus. in your situation two votes is not majority of the cast

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IF 2 VOTE PLUS 2 VOTE MINUS IT'S CIRCLE

IF 2 VOTE MINUS 2 VOTE CIRCLE IT'S CIRCLE

IF 2 VOTE PLUS 2 VOTE CIRCLE IT'S CIRCLE

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Depends on why the tree is being minused. If 2 vote slick and 2 vote circle it is circled. If 2 vote minus for off game and 2 vote plus for a coon then it depends on which side the hunting judge is on. If the hunting judge thinks it is off game it will be minused as it would take a majority to overturn his ruling on off game. However if the hunting judge is 1 of 2 that thinks it is a coon and the other two think it is off game then the points are deleted. I know right now you are thinking I'm an idiot...... read p.29 in the first advisor.

So ......
If 2 vote plus 2 vote minus- it's minused or deleted. (depending on what way the hunting judge votes)

IF 2 VOTE MINUS 2 VOTE CIRCLE- IT'S CIRCLE

IF 2 VOTE PLUS 2 VOTE CIRCLE- IT'S CIRCLE

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Put a line thru it....

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quote:
Originally posted by Cornbelt
Depends on why the tree is being minused. If 2 vote slick and 2 vote circle it is circled. If 2 vote minus for off game and 2 vote plus for a coon then it depends on which side the hunting judge is on. If the hunting judge thinks it is off game it will be minused as it would take a majority to overturn his ruling on off game. However if the hunting judge is 1 of 2 that thinks it is a coon and the other two think it is off game then the points are deleted. I know right now you are thinking I'm an idiot...... read p.29 in the first advisor.

So ......
If 2 vote plus 2 vote minus- it's minused or deleted. (depending on what way the hunting judge votes)

IF 2 VOTE MINUS 2 VOTE CIRCLE- IT'S CIRCLE

IF 2 VOTE PLUS 2 VOTE CIRCLE- IT'S CIRCLE




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when scoring a tree 2 to 2 vote it's circled period.

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You cannot plus or minus a tree without majority, period ever, regardless how the hunting judge votes.

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And you dang sure can't delete it either. Where yall come up with these fairytale answers? LOL.

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And you dang sure can't delete it either. Where yall come up with these fairytale answers? LOL.


Bingo

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there are a few situations where you would delete points on a 2 n2 vote, but this is not one of them. Though, in PKC if you have 2 vote to plus and 2 vote to minus, then you always delete the points.

as some mentioned, in UKC it always takes a majority of cast to plus or minus.

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quote:
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IF ITS 2 SAYS PLUS AND 2 SAYS CIRCLE YOU GO WITH WHAT THE JUDGE VOTES,IT HAS TO BE A MAJORITY VOTE,IF A DONT MATTER IF THE JUDGE SAYS PLUS ONE SAYS MINUS AND TWO SAYS CIRCLE YOU GO WITH THE JUDGE,,IT TALKS ABOUT IT IN THE 2011 UKC ADVISOR PAGE 31



you need to re-read that section.

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No where in ukc do you delete on a 2an2 vote though.

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quote:
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No where in ukc do you delete on a 2an2 vote though.


in the situataion above where the fella spoke about 2 saying its offgame and 2 saying its a coon, you would if the hunting judge said it was a coon. also if 2 say score it as one tree and 2 say score it as 2 trees, and one of the trees is plussed and the second would be minused, you delete the points.

you boys need to tighten up on the rules, or start adding "i think" to your posts, lol

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quote:
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So ......
If 2 vote plus 2 vote minus- it's minused or deleted. (depending on what way the hunting judge votes)




if this was PKC yes, but i dont think that is the case in UKC if where are talking about the 2 voting to minus it becuase of being slick

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I think ukc should furnish every club with a copy of this here advisor I've never saw.

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See I put I THINK in the Rance.

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quote:
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See I put I THINK in the Rance.


lol,

having to deal with yall boys in the hunts is what drove me out of north georgia! j/k

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Id still circle it. I don't care if 2 thought is was a black panther and 2 thought it was a big coon. Where yall get that deleting stuff? Seriously? The advisor? Can somebody post it? All I've ever read is it takes a majority to score a tree and if its 2 an2 its circled don't matter which way the judge voted. Now Im second guessing myself.

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