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Need some advice on getting a hound broke off possums. He almost 4 and has not messed with but a few possums until about 6 weeks ago. He started treeing more of them then coons. i have been shocking and switching him and its not phasing him. If u have any advice please let me no. thank adam

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Adam I had a local guy tell me one time that he turns possums loose with ammonia sprayed on them and when the dog grabs them it takes his breath away. Also heard the same thing about hot pepper spray I've never tried either but both guys swore it worked for them. Good luck

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break the dog off the track. not the tree.

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split the possum open, pull the insides out, pull the carcase over the dogs nose until he almost passes out !!!!!!!! He will stop !!!!

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Amen williecoondogs !!!! Shake 1 out let him chase it and fry their brain out , if you break them from running a possum they won't tree no more. It worked for me but you got to get their attention .

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Ive had good luck with the ammonia, also.

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I have a 9 yr old now that was the same way. I found out what level that got his atention without bruning him up with the shocker. When he treed a slick tail, I would go to the tree and if it was a slick tail I would bump him and tell him to come on. when he treed a coon Iwould make a big deal with him . About 4 times no more slick tails. If he's 4 yrs old it's not going to hunt him if he's a tree dog and he know when he trees a coon from a slick tail. It worked for me.

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If mine trees one he gets to ride home with it in the dogbox live of course with the shocker on and he gets to eat with it in the kennel with the shock coller on for about a week he doesn't like them much anymore at least he won't let me catch him . A dog of age nows better they now the difference and if he's a coondog shocking him isn't going to hurt him lettng him get by with it will uneless you shoot them out to them then thats a different story.

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This worked for me too....and the track breaking is key... but also make them want to avoid the opossum....I have found a fresh killed one and wired it to the dogs collar and let them carry it around in the kennel for a day....they will do the best they can to get that collar and varmit of their neck so be careful if they are on a chain. Do it late afternoon so they have to sleep with it....lol ...they won't sleep it will drive them crazy. It has been 100% for me.

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It boils down to the dog understanding what you want ... and know he has no choice but to give it to you ...


Folks can mess up and still get that point across to the dog ... which kinda makes the dog smarter than his trainer ... it happens alot , lol.

As a general rule ... dog behavior and this issue have long since been ironed out ... the main things that apply are :



Consistency - if it's ok to trail them , why isn't it ok to tree them ? The dog has to know it's not ok to trail them , tree them , look at them or think about it ... dogs can't understand why it's only bad some of the time .


Never .. ever , ever !!! Ever !! .... shoot or handle game you don't want your dog to chase ... they cannot understand why their master wants a possum but then gets mad when they find them one ... it's beyond a dog's understanding and it's an old school , foundational philosophy that has been proven for hundreds of years.


Punishment - dogs are still dogs ... the can't understand English , electricity or clubs ... those or human punishments that make sense to us . When you do those things to a dog ... they panic and cannot reason , think or remember what happend afterwards .

Punishment has to revolve around non-adrenaline rush methods that a dog undertands .... typically top trainers use "scruffing or choking' type punishment that mimic what the pack leader does to keep the pack in order ... dogs respond to it and can remember it ... unlike most blitzes of clubs , hollering or shocking.

Which is also why the e-collar true experts preach the low settings ... and hardly or never the high settings that actually blitz a dog ...


Memory - dogs and people tend to remember the highlights and ending minutes of a lesson .. so keep training short and sweet ... go home when you get your point across or you will bump it out with new information and the lesson is lost.

Also ... it takes time for short term memory to be moved to long term ... the term ' sleep on it " comes from this understanding.

Give a short lesson ... go home and sleep on it .. pick up again the next time .. that is science and pysiology at work.


If you implement these basics into your training in the way that best fits you and your dog ... you'll get stuff done and things will be less frustrating.

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Over the years most of the opossums (either mine or my friends dogs) have treed they are layups! Dogs just fall treed, so imo it doesn't matter if you break them at the tree or not they are treeing on scent ill shock them till they quit treeing! Depends on the dog it may be 3 some in maybe a 6! Its worked for me! Merry Christmas!

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First you got to be able to spell opossum Right !! lol

then the next time that dog trees a opossum gut it stuff it over the hounds head hold em down and beat him until you figure that dog will never forget what just happened.
And then you can go back to treeing coon............When your training you have to make it stick in their heads so they never forget..............

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We had a walker female that used to fool with a possum alittle bit. So the next one she treed we tied her back shot it out an wooped the absolute fire out of her with it.. Never fooled with another one..

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i had a young female never treed a possum the first year i hunted her one night she treed a possum i scoled her tied her back shot it out beat the crap out of her with it never treed another one from that night till she died at 5 yrs old

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Take a possum slit it up the belly and put it and the dog in a 55gal. drum, roll down a long steep hill and id about bet your dog wont be looking for slick tails again!

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I have had good luck with shaking the possum out and when the dog grabs it leash him up and switch him til he drops it..Then walk him back and forth by it and switch him every time he reaches for it until he doesnt want it any more..Worked just about every time for me..

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I broke my dog off of them. He treed one night and i had to walk in a long ways to get him so when i got to the tree i shot it out to him. and as soon as he grabed it i shock him. I turn him loose on it and ever time he went towards it i shocked him. took him hunting the following night and treed coon with him. If he's a good coonhound he will know the difference. This may or may not work for you but i would give it a try. Just remember to get him back in the woods as soon as you can. After you shoot that first coon out to him he will fall right back on track. Goodluck with your dog.

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
It boils down to the dog understanding what you want ... and know he has no choice but to give it to you ...


Folks can mess up and still get that point across to the dog ... which kinda makes the dog smarter than his trainer ... it happens alot , lol.

As a general rule ... dog behavior and this issue have long since been ironed out ... the main things that apply are :



Consistency - if it's ok to trail them , why isn't it ok to tree them ? The dog has to know it's not ok to trail them , tree them , look at them or think about it ... dogs can't understand why it's only bad some of the time .


Never .. ever , ever !!! Ever !! .... shoot or handle game you don't want your dog to chase ... they cannot understand why their master wants a possum but then gets mad when they find them one ... it's beyond a dog's understanding and it's an old school , foundational philosophy that has been proven for hundreds of years.


Punishment - dogs are still dogs ... the can't understand English , electricity or clubs ... those or human punishments that make sense to us . When you do those things to a dog ... they panic and cannot reason , think or remember what happend afterwards .

Punishment has to revolve around non-adrenaline rush methods that a dog undertands .... typically top trainers use "scruffing or choking' type punishment that mimic what the pack leader does to keep the pack in order ... dogs respond to it and can remember it ... unlike most blitzes of clubs , hollering or shocking.

Which is also why the e-collar true experts preach the low settings ... and hardly or never the high settings that actually blitz a dog ...


Memory - dogs and people tend to remember the highlights and ending minutes of a lesson .. so keep training short and sweet ... go home when you get your point across or you will bump it out with new information and the lesson is lost.

Also ... it takes time for short term memory to be moved to long term ... the term ' sleep on it " comes from this understanding.

Give a short lesson ... go home and sleep on it .. pick up again the next time .. that is science and pysiology at work.


If you implement these basics into your training in the way that best fits you and your dog ... you'll get stuff done and things will be less frustrating.

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
It boils down to the dog understanding what you want ... and know he has no choice but to give it to you ...


Folks can mess up and still get that point across to the dog ... which kinda makes the dog smarter than his trainer ... it happens alot , lol.

As a general rule ... dog behavior and this issue have long since been ironed out ... the main things that apply are :



Consistency - if it's ok to trail them , why isn't it ok to tree them ? The dog has to know it's not ok to trail them , tree them , look at them or think about it ... dogs can't understand why it's only bad some of the time .


Never .. ever , ever !!! Ever !! .... shoot or handle game you don't want your dog to chase ... they cannot understand why their master wants a possum but then gets mad when they find them one ... it's beyond a dog's understanding and it's an old school , foundational philosophy that has been proven for hundreds of years.


Punishment - dogs are still dogs ... the can't understand English , electricity or clubs ... those or human punishments that make sense to us . When you do those things to a dog ... they panic and cannot reason , think or remember what happend afterwards .

Punishment has to revolve around non-adrenaline rush methods that a dog undertands .... typically top trainers use "scruffing or choking' type punishment that mimic what the pack leader does to keep the pack in order ... dogs respond to it and can remember it ... unlike most blitzes of clubs , hollering or shocking.

Which is also why the e-collar true experts preach the low settings ... and hardly or never the high settings that actually blitz a dog ...


Memory - dogs and people tend to remember the highlights and ending minutes of a lesson .. so keep training short and sweet ... go home when you get your point across or you will bump it out with new information and the lesson is lost.

Also ... it takes time for short term memory to be moved to long term ... the term ' sleep on it " comes from this understanding.

Give a short lesson ... go home and sleep on it .. pick up again the next time .. that is science and pysiology at work.


If you implement these basics into your training in the way that best fits you and your dog ... you'll get stuff done and things will be less frustrating.

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Opossum canned in coon grease... heck yeah....

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split the possum open, pull the insides out, pull the carcase over the dogs nose until he almost passes out !!!!!!!! He will stop !!!!

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how far do you guys run a possum track?

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Some of these post is why us coon hunters are under attack by the hsus and PETA(hold it down and beat it) I'm a firm believer in training my hounds but dang guys the hsus and PETA get on here and copy stupid crap like this and present it when they try to get bills passed to take our hunting away. Some need to think before they speak.

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