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Okie Dawg
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Extreme Isane X Miss M bred to N.B. Son X River Sassy

If I take a good pup out of these cross's and bred them to each other what would I get?

GRCH GRNITECH "PR" EXTREME INSANE X X "PR" CATER'S MISS M (Tinkerbell) She is doing very well for her age and crossed her with a pup out of
GRNITECH "PR" DANCER'S NOTHERN BLUE SON X GRNITECH "PR" BLUE MOON RISEING SMOKEY RIVER SASSY ( Waylon)

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Enigma
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Well, you'll probably get the best blue dogs that have ever walked.

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Autumn Clements
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you'd have a walker x bluetick

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Okie Dawg
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Well, you'll probably get the best blue dogs that have ever walked.

How many generations would it take to register them as a bluetic or walker again?

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you could single register them under wich ever breed that they meet breed standards. half breed jessie was half bluetick and half walker she done a ton of winning and her pups have done a ton of winning she was bred back to walker dogs.

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Single register them when they're a year old and can tree a coon. Walker or Bluetick would depend on which they meet the breed standards for. Could possibly register them english also.

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Okie Dawg
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They are both performance and super stakes so how would that work out? Would I still get a check off that or not?

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Okie Dawg
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btt

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Autumn Clements
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You'd have to SS sire the sire in order for him to be a SS sire, and reg pups PKC as crossbred. Since they can not be UKC reg till later on which then they'd be single reg they can not be performance pups.

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Okie Dawg
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The sire (Waylon) is SS and performance. The dam is allso SS an performances. The dam is allso breader stakes.

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Okie Dawg
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How many generations would a person have to go threw before he could regester them as a bluetic in UKC?

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How many generations would a person have to go threw before he could regester them as a bluetic in UKC?

they could be single reg aas blueticks but would take 3 generations to be PR

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Autumn Clements
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The sire (Waylon) is SS and performance. The dam is allso SS an performances. The dam is allso breader stakes.

they are to compete in the programs themselves but like Son & Insane X he'd have to be payed up as a SS sire & Performance sire for that yr to have any litters off them.

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DANNY RAMEY
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IT WOULDN'T BE A BAD THING CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PKC MONEY EARNINGS THE WALKER DOG IS #1 AND CROSS BRED HOUNDS ARE #2 SO IF YOU WANT SOMETHING TO WIN IN PKC PROBALY A GOOD IDEA. I WOULD ALSO CONSIDER THAT THERES NOT NEARLY AS MANY CROSSBRED HOUNDS AS WALKERS AND FOR THEM TO BE SECOND WITH ONLY HALF AS MANY DOGS DOING THE WINNING THEN THERE MUST BE SOMETHING GOOD THERE.

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Alec Altier
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Why cross breed good bred dogs

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Why cross breed good bred dogs

Why not? Would they not be good bred dogs anymore?

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Alec Altier
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Why cross breed good bred dogs like that its not right I think but I guess everybody has there opinion

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Cross breeding good dogs is how they got better dogs in the first place. The reason I was thinking of it was that they are both way above average so far. Time will tell in the end but both have been earlie starters and when they start they just keep getting better so far. The only thing is the weakness I see in one is the others strong points and vise versa.
I know it isn't the financially smart thing to do but I am 52 and not rich yet. So I just thought it would actually help both breeds gene pool to have to draw from. I just don't know how many generations of the litters off spring being bred back to pure bred walker or bluetic before they chould be registered as pure again.
I have no dought they would be great pups and kick tail in comp.

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OKIE I LOOKED INTO THIS BEFORE I BRED MY WALKER FEMALE AND I JUST DECIDED IT WOULD TAKE ALOT OF TIME AND ATTENTION. ONCE YOU SINGLE REGISTER THEM IN UKC THEN BREED THEM BACK TO THE BREED YOU REGISTERED THEM IN THEN ALL YOUR LITTERS FROM THERE ON YOU CAN REGISTER YOUR LITTER. THATS HOW THE WALKER BRED BEGAN WAS WITH A SINGLE REGISTERED FEMALE. EVERY DOG COMES FROM A SINGLE REGISTERED DOG SOMEWHERE. THERE IS PEOPLE WHO WILL OPPOSE YOU AND SAY THESE HOUNDS ARE FULL BLOODED,PURE BRED, BUT THERES NO SUCH THING. WHEN I LOOKED INTO I WAS TOLD THE BEST CROSS WAS BETWEEN A WALKER AND BLUETICK. SO IF YOU HAVE THE TIME TO HAVE 4 OR 5 LITTERS TO GET A MARKET FOR YOUR PUPS THEN I'D SAY GO FOR IT. EVERYBODY IS HUNG UP ON A CERTAIN BRED AND STAYING INSIDE THAT BRED THAT NO ONE WILL HUNT THE PUPS. I SAY WITHOUT KENNEL CLUBS REGISTERING THE CERTAIN BREDS AND WE WE'RE JUST COON HUNTERS WE WOULD BREED COONDOG TO COONDOG AND WOULDN'T REALLY CARE SO MUCH ABOUT COLOR. THATS WHAT OUR ANCESTORS DONE TO GET US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. THEY DIDN'T CARE WHAT COLOR IT WAS IT JUST NEEDED TO RUN GAME AND GET THE JOB DONE.

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I don't know if I will make the cross or not. The male is just 1 year old and the gyp just 8 months. But if they turn out as good and like I think they will I will probubly make the cross. If coon hunters don't want them I will sell the ones I don't keep to big game guys. All they care is they can get the job done and do it fast. The ones I keep I will single redester and win money in the money hunts. They will get tired of it. LOL

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I don't know if I will make the cross or not. The male is just 1 year old and the gyp just 8 months. But if they turn out as good and like I think they will I will probubly make the cross. If coon hunters don't want them I will sell the ones I don't keep to big game guys. All they care is they can get the job done and do it fast. The ones I keep I will single redester and win money in the money hunts. They will get tired of it. LOL

I WOULD WAIT UNTIL THEY SETTLE IN A LITTLE BIT AND SEE WHAT THEY TURNED OUT LIKE. IF YOU COULD GET RID OF THEM TO THE BIG GAME GUYS THEN I'D SAY DO IT. KEEP ME INFORMED LATER ON I MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN A PUP AFTER I GET MINE RAISED. I'M ON YOUR SIDE SO JUST TAKE IT EASY ON ME. I ALWAYS WANTED TO BRED A BIG STUD WALKER TO A SURE ENOUGH BLUETICK FEMALE.

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Ok if and when I do it I will post it on here. It will be atleast a year before the breeding though.

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"WOW"!

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The ones I keep I will single redester and win money in the money hunts. They will get tired of it. LOL

Maybe should put out a bulletin that the mutt's your plannin to create outa puppies you have now are gonna be the end of some winnin money presumably in your area?

Sounds like you think you got them all wooped already Grady with unborn puppies outa puppies you got now. Some reality in the genetic's game may be in your future?

Gettin harder & harder to single register Bluetick's so don't neccassarily count on that bein the gospel.

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Re: "WOW"!

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Sounds like you think you got them all wooped already Grady with unborn puppies outa puppies you got now. Some reality in the genetic's game may be in your future?

I also see some education in the performance and SS program in Gradys future.

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Re: "WOW"!

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Maybe should put out a bulletin that the mutt's your plannin to create outa puppies you have now are gonna be the end of some winnin money presumably in your area?

Sounds like you think you got them all wooped already Grady with unborn puppies outa puppies you got now. Some reality in the genetic's game may be in your future?

Gettin harder & harder to single register Bluetick's so don't neccassarily count on that bein the gospel.

Nothing better than a smart a....I take it you can't take a joke or know what LOL at the end of a sentence means. As much as you know about genetics it's a wonder yours aren't comming out speaking english. LOL
I guess you didn't catch the IF AND WHEN I breed those two either. Maybe you are just afraid if I put more fire in the bluetic gene pool yours might not look so good. LMAO

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