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I don't want to start a fight with anyone but I see people selling females as brood gyps with out even knowing if they do anything in the woods. I won't breed a gyp intill she proves she can carry the mail . Are you just breeding for the bloodline if you are how do you know she'll pass the traits you want if you don't know she has them. I think this is why a lot of dogs don't make the grade that we're looking for. Just opinion. Looking for other thoughts and reasons. thanks

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I agree 100% she needs to perform in the woods not nec in the hunts but in the woods

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right on . people just dont get it . why take a step backwards when you can take one forwards by playing the better odds breeding two dogs that are doing what they are bred for. if you really love hounds and hounding this is what you should strive for there are plenty of good hounds out there to choose from that people have put the hard work time and money into to try have the best they can make . the reason we have hounds is because are forefathers selectively bred for these traits tracking ,treeing,desire, brains ,looks lets help keep the ball rolling .good post

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im sure alot of breeders will tell yall that they have raised pups the same caliber dogs off a brood females as grnite females .....heard alot of people say they raised nice pups outta a female that wouldnt tree a coon if you drug her.... that bein said if its in um to do then you can bring it out an if itant then you cant brood an grand either way...... 1 thing most go by you dont know till you try...but nowday most buyers look for fantsy papers anyway an ol averge paperd dog dosnt get looked at

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theres alot of people that shouldnt be breeders ,but nothing is gonna change that but if their getting good pups out of sorry hounds somewhere behind those hounds was a breeder that did do the hard work and effort to have good hounds and your pretty much pissing on there graves breeding dogs that would of been their culls.had to throw that in there it sounded so good.my money will always go to breeders trying to better the breed by having quality hunters male and female not quantity. buying a pup is only a small portion of what you will have into the dog . gas ,food, shots, vet, your time so it pays to be picky

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i go for both, lines mostly before i get a dog, THEN i will look at how it performs, but thats how i do things and its how i was taught and i aint gonna do no other thing because anyone wants me too but thats jmo

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so your saying a dog shouldnt be bred even if it didnt have a chance to .......most dogs you would call culls is the owner fault for not givin it a fare chance .......if we had 2 pups littermates you hunted your an made it a good coondog an i never hunted mine like it should been an we both bred um my pups would be culls an yours be good ???..

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i go for both, lines mostly before i get a dog, THEN i will look at how it performs, but thats how i do things and its how i was taught and i aint gonna do no other thing because anyone wants me too but thats jmo

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no I don't think they would be culls.But if you didn't know anything about any of the other littermates would you breed her. my opinion is that I like to breed to proven dogs because it's fifty fifty what goes into those pups. I just want the best chance I have of getting the traits I'm looking for.

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Someone somewhere did the homework and bred coondog to coondog, That doesnt make a nontitled dog with 10-16 titled parents behind it a cull, breeding bloodlines it better than breeding titles.

If they were all ch champions would you want a coondog pup to hunt coons, they went to the hunts and 10-16 parents made ch champions?

We buy dogs with "pr" only in the parentage many times, but with sackett and harry and nailor backin em, they make coondogs 4 out of 5. maybe just solid pleasure dogs but coondogs.

I need to buy some redbones and try that inbreeding to walkers.

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if she was a good track dog she could be worth millions.
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what i dont get is why are people to **** lazy to hunt the female in the first place and obviously there are no such thing as culls to some people every pup out of a litter is top notch and should be bred to even if one of them cant run track or dont tree and the littermate can do it all come on now you mean to tell me youd rather have pups out of the unproven one instead of the one that can do it all. im just trying to understand why ? it cant be a cull if it hasnt been hunted cause its littermates are good?the truth is you dont know if it insnt a cull if it hasnt been hunted with properly i guess my culls out of litters i have arent really culls will you buy them there brood ready and worth just as much as a top hound l guess . the market is sure gonna be flooded when everybody finds out .

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the market is flooded now. with a 1000 different dogs to choose from to breed your cull brood female too. and not one of those males have proven anything as a reproducer.just a history of his wins.its flooded now.

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what i dont get is why are people to **** lazy to hunt the female in the first place and obviously there are no such thing as culls to some people every pup out of a litter is top notch and should be bred to even if one of them cant run track or dont tree and the littermate can do it all come on now you mean to tell me youd rather have pups out of the unproven one instead of the one that can do it all. im just trying to understand why ? it cant be a cull if it hasnt been hunted cause its littermates are good?the truth is you dont know if it insnt a cull if it hasnt been hunted with properly i guess my culls out of litters i have arent really culls will you buy them there brood ready and worth just as much as a top hound l guess . the market is sure gonna be flooded when everybody finds out .

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Here is another way to look at it...If you have a nice male and want to see what for reccessive genes he might carry, breed him to a known female carrier or affected and see what you get. Sure, you are throwing more pups out that may not make top dogs, but give them away or where ever, but know what is hidden in your lines before throwing a whole lot of money in advertising a big stud dog, that may throw bad faults. 1 or no testicles, cherry eye, bad hips, aggressive behavior, etc. Yeah those folks in the background pedigree did do some good for the dogs, but they also did some bad too, or these problems wouldn't keep popping up. Also, if your gonna breed pups, then stand behind what you produce and sell. If you can't, then you have no business doing it. I give a 1 yr. written guarantee with all my pups. Plan your breedings, make the cross and hope for the best. Don't just throw ole so and so with miss hoochie mama and hope for the next world champion. Research, ask questions, research, plan, and then breed and pray.

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if everybody just bred porch dog to porch dog and didnt hunt them what do think the end result would be after 10 generations lets take a look at the big picture not just one breeding of a porch hound give your honest answer . man intervened the wolf and bred all the dogs we have today from selective breeding not by letting them sit on the porch but by proving that a pointer can point a hound can track and tree if this didnt happen there would be no such thing as dogs theyd still be wolves. im not hung up on papers of any sort just performance first which means the dog has the gene to start with then see if it reproduces then cull accordingly its called breeding ethics im glad to hear at least a few people have it on here. this is the last state ment i have on this subject. im hear to listen now

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i been interested in genetics here recently and been reading alot of scientific stuff and this is some stuff i believe. when you make a cross most of the dominate genes are coming from the gyp. about the only thing that comes from the male is the pups sex.[male or female] every once in a while you will find a male with genes so strong they over throw the gyp but that is a 1/1000 shot at best.so with this in mind when you make a cross look at the gyp. if you want the males genes line breed one of his daughters back to him. but this is just my opinion.i would just read some of the articles on genetics on the internet and see what would work for you. let me say this. a woman hemophiliac will transmit that gene to her children but the only way a man hemophiliac will is if the woman carries the recessive gene and they link up.

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i been interested in genetics here recently and been reading alot of scientific stuff and this is some stuff i believe. when you make a cross most of the dominate genes are coming from the gyp. about the only thing that comes from the male is the pups sex.[male or female] every once in a while you will find a male with genes so strong they over throw the gyp but that is a 1/1000 shot at best.so with this in mind when you make a cross look at the gyp. if you want the males genes line breed one of his daughters back to him. but this is just my opinion.i would just read some of the articles on genetics on the internet and see what would work for you. let me say this. a woman hemophiliac will transmit that gene to her children but the only way a man hemophiliac will is if the woman carries the recessive gene and they link up.

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I believe a female will reproduce just as good whether she's a grand nite ch,a world ch,or never been hunted.The only thing is,if you don't hunt her you don't know if she inherited the traits from her ancestors that you're breeding for.She may carry traits from other dogs in her pedigree that you absolutely don't want.The only way to know is to hunt them.Believe me,just because two dogs are littermates don't mean they will reproduce alike.Sometimes the best one won't be the best reproducer.You need to hunt them to be sure they carry the traits you're breeding for.

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im not an ol timey coonhunter, im more less the newer generation because i am almost 17. i have dogs that have many PR's in there bloodlines. i look for lines that are proven and that can SELL... i have a hard enough time moving pups and usually give the whole litter away cause i cant sell for 50- 100 bucks. i run the ol stuff like finley river, hard knockin stylish hayes, spring creek rock, dohoney's stock, lipper, etc. i dont go for some lines but thats just me. i do have a dog with some sackett in him, but i like the sackett dogs, most of the ones i come across are good...

bloodline=dog and if u break the chain u break the dog, if anyone gets my drift

im not being a smart elec either, i know of a certain someone that calls me that everytime i state my opinion.

but i dont go for all grand, eventho i do have one that has an almost all grand pedigree.

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TrappinGirl You Go with your Plans and IGNORE most folks on here, they are breeding enthusiasts, Dog lovin, Comp People. Who eat n breath their dogs. Which is a good thing. But whenever someone wants to call you for your thoughts.

Well they are a cull. This is still a free country with free expression. If I want to breed my stud dog to only off color dogs thats my choice, Heck I would like to breed him to a family members lapdog just to see what would happen. but they wont let me

how many "pr" females are in the reproducers lists? what percentage of great ones came from "pr" dogs, and if you count other then walkers...look out at those percentages.

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TrappinGirl You Go with your Plans and IGNORE most folks on here, they are breeding enthusiasts, Dog lovin, Comp People. Who eat n breath their dogs. Which is a good thing. But whenever someone wants to call you for your thoughts.

Well they are a cull. This is still a free country with free expression. If I want to breed my stud dog to only off color dogs thats my choice, Heck I would like to breed him to a family members lapdog just to see what would happen. but they wont let me

how many "pr" females are in the reproducers lists? what percentage of great ones came from "pr" dogs, and if you count other then walkers...look out at those percentages.

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i agree that a one in a 100,000 you will find that dominate dog. i would suggest that if you had a all around female you liked to find a male with the same traits, but here is the kicker. i would try to see as many litter mates as i could and see if they have the same traits. if they do you are more out to reproduce them traits. remember this likes dont always produce likes but you have a better chance of reproducing if you breed likes.

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theres alot of people that shouldnt be breeders ,but nothing is gonna change that but if their getting good pups out of sorry hounds somewhere behind those hounds was a breeder that did do the hard work and effort to have good hounds and your pretty much pissing on there graves breeding dogs that would of been their culls.had to throw that in there it sounded so good.my money will always go to breeders trying to better the breed by having quality hunters male and female not quantity. buying a pup is only a small portion of what you will have into the dog . gas ,food, shots, vet, your time so it pays to be picky

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i have a 5 year old for sale nice looking dog should throw nice pups just dont need her any more

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