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A young man gave me a started cur dog he was training on squirrel. It's a female and he hunted her very little but she trees the heck out of them when he lets her run loose in the yard and in the woods behind his house. She's a year old plus a couple months. I once trained a Treeing Walker as a squirrel dog without the aid of an old dog and this is what I will have to do with the cur. The question I have considering I have never hunted a cur is what do I expect or do I handle the dog any different. The dog isn't gun shy.
He told me when I take her out---in the morning that she probably won't get five feet off my feet untill she has been to the place a few times. He also said if she saw a squirrel she was going to tree it. Is the five foot deal typical of a young cur and do they only tree by sight? Thanks for any replies....I plan to hunt the dog at least three days a week for a month or two if she progresses other wise she's gone. Thanks again, FullCry

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First, Do Not get rough with your Cur. They won't take the pressure. Kicking, beating and the heavy use of your leash will most likely ruin your dog.
Secondly, She will most likely start ranging out further as she ages and bonds with you. Plenty of woods time will probably cure her.
Good luck with your Cur, Loyd.

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The BMC dogs are late bloomers. If you like the dog, give it some more time, some don't get going good till they are 2 years old and some never make it as a tree dog.

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because it is unsure of the area and also, what you are expecting of the dog. When they are unsure, they will stay at your side. I don't have to, but I still do put a lead on mine, like going to the vet, etc. Because she is unsure, she stays at my side for comfort. Give it time with walks in the woods and let it wander around, maybe sit on a log and let it get accustomed to the outdoors a little at a time, rather than just start marching through and making it think you are going to leave it, if it doesn't stay close.

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I took the dog to an area loaded with squirrels- I know for sure for I have been deer hunting there-. I let her out and she hit the woods like a bullet and was hunting like crazy running with her nose to the ground in big circles like 50yds. she would stop some and sniff up a tree....she appeared to be tracking them and looking in the trees for one when she stopped. She came by me sniffed up a tree and went to the next tree and sniffed up it. I saw a squirrel move around to my side of the first tree and shot it out. Of course she mouthed it and I chain tied her to a tree and put the squirrel up the tree and she treed hard. I cut here loose again and she went out of sight in the thick. I heard her bark three times but she came back. I imagine she treed one but didn't stay treed.
When I was younger I had small type Treeing walker dogs. I had young ones that would run a squirrel up a tree that I could see but the dog would just stand on the tree. I would chain tie the dog to the tree and walk over the hill. The dog would bark thinking I was leaving it but would be smelling the squirrel. I would also do this with carcasses and after four or five times the dog would start treeing. Please give me some input on this cur dog. She hunts like crazy but I hope she's not one that will never tree. She is a small dog---maybe 40lbs wet and muddy. Thanks for any input...FullCry

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I never beat or have beat dogs. I handle them well because I care a lot for mine. I do use e-collars on them but don't need one on this dog because every time I call she comes. I'm running one on her but would only shock her on one. She jumped and climbed the ol boy that gave me the dogs eight foot fence. I shocked her at my house every time she stood on the fence and it only took twice for now. It really didn't affect her....make her scared etc but right when it happened then she wouldn't go to that part of the fence untill the next day....back yard not kennels. Thanks for the advice though. I have only had the dog two days and she acts like she is in love with me lol.

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I think the dog has pretty well bonded and is trusting you. You have shown it that you are not going to run off and leave it in the woods.

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Well you made your first mistake by shooting out a squirrel she didn't tree.

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Tim, I only had the dog a day before I carried it hunting. Sir, what would you consider treed? Young dog standing on the tree whining or must it be treed like a hound...barking to shoot the squirrel out? With the walkers I always shot squirrels and got them to bark at the carcass then before long they were treeing. I guess the two different types of dogs need diff. training or your set in your ways on training. Please explain and thanks to all, FullCry

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Do it the way you are used to.

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I realize the dog is getting rewarded when it didn't tree the squirrel---I think this is your point but apparently you don't want to converse with me about why you think what I did was wrong...I didn't mean any offense. Took the dog out today, she was wide open for three hours, didn't tree a squirrel but did run a deer and I shocked her off it. I called her and she came to me on the double and didn't act stupid. She did stay on my feet for five mins. then she was back at the wide open hunting..on the run.
I read about these black mouth curs online else where and they are stock dogs that herd cattle and other livestock. Ol Yeller was a black mouth cur I also read. They are also used to bay hogs and some are used as tree dogs. Is the stock dog in her the reason she hunts on the run and doesn't tire in three hours? Or is this all of the curs? Thanks to anyone for responses. FullCry

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Lassie helps me work cattle, though she is not very good at it. lol When I am sorting calves, etc, I make her stay at my side and if a calf tries to cut back, she will jump at it and keep it from bolting past. You mention running wide open. I recently got my Garmin and was putting it on her while I chored so I could 'play' with it and learn about it. There is a brushy 'holler' just across the road and she can spend an hour or more 'scouting'. One evening when I took it off her, she had logged 5 miles and the screen looked like an etch a sketch.

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I realize the dog is getting rewarded when it didn't tree the squirrel---I think this is your point but apparently you don't want to converse with me about why you think what I did was wrong...I didn't mean any offense. Took the dog out today, she was wide open for three hours, didn't tree a squirrel but did run a deer and I shocked her off it. I called her and she came to me on the double and didn't act stupid. She did stay on my feet for five mins. then she was back at the wide open hunting..on the run.
I read about these black mouth curs online else where and they are stock dogs that herd cattle and other livestock. Ol Yeller was a black mouth cur I also read. They are also used to bay hogs and some are used as tree dogs. Is the stock dog in her the reason she hunts on the run and doesn't tire in three hours? Or is this all of the curs? Thanks to anyone for responses. FullCry

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No I just wasn't going to get in a pissing contest. Treeing is just that. It isn't just looking up a tree or whining. If you don't get the dog barking and you let it get the game then it will think that is what it is supposed to do. Try trapping a squirrel and releasing it in front of her, if she barks at it when she trees it, then shoot it out. But don't release anymore caged game for her. You may want to set up a feeder or possibly spread out some feed to concentrate the squirrels so it will be easier to get her on game to get her started at first, but again a little of this will go a long way. I KNEW YOU WERE GOOD FOR SOMETHING, JUST NEVER COULD FIGURE IT OUT

Yes BMCs are used for stock and catch dogs but they do make excellent treedogs also.

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Thanks NCcatfisher cur dog man. I have deer hunted this place many times and have seen squirrels all over the place.I only deer hunted in the evening and once in the morining and always saw squirrels in the evening. I have been taking the dog in the morning.....only twice so maybe they just weren't moving well those days. I did this because it was going to get warm here in Al. in the afternoon.
I would try the corn baiting but there are so many deer and wild hogs on this place I doubt the squirrels would get much.There are many behind my house -20 acres in town- but I have a four lane busy highway in front of my house so I guess I'll just keep taking her where I have been going and do the best I can and hope she will tree on her own. The way she hunts it's almost like she's trying to run one up off the ground....I don't know anything about cur dogs...never owned one...have always been a hound man. So far I'm very impressed with her hunting desire, obediance, and handling along with brains. She just isn't treeing yet. I never thought much of a cur untill this ol boy gave me her.....I still have high hopes because I love a good squirrel dog and love to eat them to. Thanks every body, FullCry PS. Yes I could put corn feeders up on trees where hogs and deer couldn't get to them and may be able to come up with a trap to catch one behind my house. Thanks again.

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I forgot to add to my last post that this gyp is brown but doesn't have the black around her mouth which is I hear why they are called black mouth curs. Both her sire and dam had the black. I personally wouldn't care if she were green with pink polka dots if she makes me a good squirrel dog but do folks fault this? She is registerd so the ol boy says..but hasn't given me the papers yet....is this ok or do they require the black around the mouth?

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They call the Blackmouth Cur that because of the inside of the mouth not on what may be on the outside of the mouth.

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FullCry, I might have missed it, but I don't think you said what line of BMC your dog comes from. As far as tree dogs go, more are found in the Ladner line. Some of the other lines will tree, it's that your odds are better with a Ladner bred BMC. Sounds like you like the dog. If it don't make it as a tree dog, they do make a good yard dog. No better watch dog can you find. FullCry check out this forum for alot of good BMC info, http://www.foothillshuntingdogs.com/

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FullCry, I might have missed it, but I don't think you said what line of BMC your dog comes from. As far as tree dogs go, more are found in the Ladner line. Some of the other lines will tree, it's that your odds are better with a Ladner bred BMC. Sounds like you like the dog. If it don't make it as a tree dog, they do make a good yard dog. No better watch dog can you find.

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I'll talk to the young man that gave her to me and the dog came from his uncle who has had this line for years coon hunting with them and squirrel hunting with some of them. I will try and find out what line she came from to. She would make an ok lap dog cause she can't weigh more than 30lbs. or so. I'm going to take her tomorrow and try her again. Thanks fellas, FullCry

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One thing I forgot, scattering out corn for squirrels may be illegal in Al. You may want to can that idea especially with the deer and hogs. I was just going by what we do here in NC for young dogs at times. I am almost positive I was told that was illegal down there.

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They also make great lap dogs, if your lap is big enough. lol

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I'm glad we don't have skunks here...I'd shoot this dog if she got into one because she rides in my 30mpg Integra with me/joking on shooting.
NCcatfisher here we can bait deer with corn...feed year round if we want to but two weeks before hunting the spot by law we have to remove it. As far as coon and squirrel I'm not sure but we have always put out coon feeders and I have never heard of anyone getting in trouble. Even in the UKC coon dog night hunts here I have heard they cast the dogs around feeders but I haven't been there when it was done...just hearsay. I'm just going to hunt the dog and hope she starts treeing....the squirrels are there where I hunt and season doesn't go out until the last day of Feb and then I can still hunt her without a gun anytime I want year round so that should give me a couple more months of cool mornings. Thanks for all the help and input guys...if you have anymore please reply. One more question, why don't cur dog owners start young dogs treeing on hides and scent and carcasses? Most every coon hunter I have ever known get their young dogs started treeing this way but all I have ever known were hound owners so i'm kind of baffled but understand Nc catfishers point. FullCry

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I'm glad we don't have skunks here...I'd shoot this dog if she got into one because she rides in my 30mpg Integra with me/joking on shooting.
NCcatfisher here we can bait deer with corn...feed year round if we want to but two weeks before hunting the spot by law we have to remove it. As far as coon and squirrel I'm not sure but we have always put out coon feeders and I have never heard of anyone getting in trouble. Even in the UKC coon dog night hunts here I have heard they cast the dogs around feeders but I haven't been there when it was done...just hearsay. I'm just going to hunt the dog and hope she starts treeing....the squirrels are there where I hunt and season doesn't go out until the last day of Feb and then I can still hunt her without a gun anytime I want year round so that should give me a couple more months of cool mornings. Thanks for all the help and input guys...if you have anymore please reply. One more question, why don't cur dog owners start young dogs treeing on hides and scent and carcasses? Most every coon hunter I have ever known get their young dogs started treeing this way but all I have ever known were hound owners so i'm kind of baffled but understand Nc catfishers point. FullCry

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