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I want to know how many of you think that the Purina points shows are seriously affecting the respective number of show entries of that respective breed at our Larger Breed Days and larger Breed sectionals that are on the Purina Points show schedule? Any body have any idea to correct the current trend of Purina show dogs dominating the Breed days and Sectionals. I'm not against the Purina Show just believe that Breed Days shows are held to promote that breed and lately this isn't the case!

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May the best dog win..

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hey, we got a one breed rqe, how about one breed purina points show!

as the president said, "kind of like watching the special olympics."
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Kevin-I think you are right on with your post.

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hey, we got a one breed rqe, how about one breed purina points show!

as the president said, "kind of like watching the special olympics."
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Kevin-I think you are right on with your post.
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better check out page 149 of the April issue of Bloodlines for the Thursday night events for 2009 B&T days

If your breed organizations bring in qualified judges, it should not matter and yes may the best dog win.

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hey my oponion is that all breed days are going to have a king and queen of that breed so what is the grip your going to win that breed if you have the best of that breed the purina points only draw more dogs to that event the judges are what keeps people from coming ive talked to 4 different people that show alot and they didnt go to english days this weekend because of the judges and to some that arent going to other shows because of the judges i think they shouldnt tell whoes judgeing and let everone come and see didnt know they had a one breed rqe but they might its news to me the top show dogs are going to go and see if they can win all breed days and the top national shows so if you cant keep up ride at your own pace me im just ideling right know ill mash the gas next year see you at a show sometime

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I don't even know why this is being questioned. I mean heck are you not up for competition? If there is not, there should be a king and queen of the show and the hunt for that specific breed for that breed days. In my opinion you have some options here
1. stay and home
2. go and compete and do your best with what you have
3. breed better dogs and stop complaining
If anything the purina race has helped most breed days in numbers not hurt them. JMO..

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You all need to get BBCHA to do it like BBOA and bring back all gr.ch. ch. and breed winners for the King and Queen. I think we should all be boy cotting Purina any way as much as they are wanting us to pay for there food and now have cut back on the size as well

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I tend to agree with Mr. Blue dog here. Would like to know how many purina race winners were actually winning on purina dog food?

Also, personally would like to see at breed days, a seperate class for dogs actually entered and competing in the nite hunt. Really I would like to see this at all major hunts. Maybe create a new dual ch. title for this type of show competition between hounds actually entered in the HUNT.

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Most of the dogs that I know that are hunting and showing in the purina shows and nite hunts are fed purina. Do yourself a favor and ask them.

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You all need to get BBCHA to do it like BBOA and bring back all gr.ch. ch. and breed winners for the King and Queen. I think we should all be boy cotting Purina any way as much as they are wanting us to pay for there food and now have cut back on the size as well

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The judges need to pick dogs not purina leaders!!! or handlers!!!

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If the breed doesn't have a dog thats good enough to beat the other breeds they shouldn't be winning anyway.

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If the breed doesn't have a dog thats good enough to beat the other breeds they shouldn't be winning anyway.

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Cynthia the BBOA just bring back the reg. breed winners

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Just cause a grch. blue gyp gets beat by a walker or something should not eliminate it from competing for the queen of shows after all it is suppose to be the best if the breed that wins it

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BBOA brings back all best of class winners in open Reg and all Champions and Grand Champions entered for King and Queen of Show. This allows those blue dogs tha get beat by other breeds to show for King and Queen. After all King and Queen of show at BBOA events is to select the best blueticks.

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Its OLD! This has been an ongoing joke. People bickering over who's the handler, who's the winner, what they just won...its just a face/name game... this has been going on since the 70's it hasn't changed its not going to change... those that win just win. Those that loose just loose. We have to have a winner and we have to have a looser!

Yes a winning dog might carry himself through the year. Winning and putting your face on the interent and in the magazine HELPS! But taking it out on these owners / handlers isn't the way to take care of the "politics" as we've come to call it! Educating our judges more, asking them to give more detailed reasons publicly .... educating other breeders and owners and handlers... that's how we fix this! Not ranting and raving at each other!!!!

UKC needs to do with coonhound bench show judges what they do with conformation judges. They take pride in educating more and more judges, so why not inforce it with bench show judges. They set standards that each judge must reach and accomplish. They require you to become more educated over a perioud of time. I know numerous folks that passed the bench show test, because it was a group effort. Are they qualified to judge? Not in my book. If they can't take a written test without the help of others then they are serious enough to do the job asked of them.

The sport of "showing dogs" has become a serious issue with a lot of us, and its more then a hobby to most! So we deserve quality judges that are willing to continue the stride to educate on what is correct movement, shoulder lay, and rear angulation. But its just as important as a breeder, owner, handler to know what these things are also. You don't want to keep promoting a dog that's all feet and legs, you need the entire package.

In short, the entire showing thing works full circle. Judges need to understand what is correct and not correct, they need to give detailed reasons to the crowd of what it is they see and why they picked a dog, not just "his dog had tighter feet"! And we as exhibitors and breeders need to listen. We need to educate ourselves on what is correct. If we get beat by one style of dog over and over and over...then stop producing / showing that style.

We are always EDUCATING ourselves to get ahead with our job to provide a better life for our family. Why wouldn't we take our showing of dogs just as serious!

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I agree on more judge education. I have been beat on the bench by hounds that DO NOT meet breed standard. For instance: White Blueticks? I've seen several win in big shows. Then on the other hand the Black blueticks with slight ticking on the bottom part of their legs? To quote the breed standard "preference running to more blue than black on body" "The amount of blue ticking should control over the amount of white in the body coat. Off colors not allowed"

Now before anyone gets mad at me, Im just stating my opinion and the breed standard.

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Nobody mad at you here buddy! I have blues and walkers. I can't stand these blueticks that are being shown that are blanketback. It so against the breed standard as you stated in your post. I like my blues ticked up not blanketback or even saddle. Makes me wonder whats really in the blanket back blues...JMO

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Nobody mad at you here buddy! I have blues and walkers. I can't stand these blueticks that are being shown that are blanketback. It so against the breed standard as you stated in your post. I like my blues ticked up not blanketback or even saddle. Makes me wonder whats really in the blanket back blues...JMO

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I hear what you are saying and there is probably some truth in it but but do you like your blueticks that way? I am not real fond of them like that. JMO though....

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wait til Cynthia sees this she will rip you guys a new one lol I however agree with yall totally get rid of the blanket back blueticks not to standard no way no how should they ever win a show same for the monkey faces and black heads and all black faces blue breed needs some serious house cleaning done to make up for what these breeders have done in the last 10-15 years it took 50 years to get rid of it the first time around

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wait til Cynthia sees this she will rip you guys a new one lol I however agree with yall totally get rid of the blanket back blueticks not to standard no way no how should they ever win a show same for the monkey faces and black heads and all black faces blue breed needs some serious house cleaning done to make up for what these breeders have done in the last 10-15 years it took 50 years to get rid of it the first time around

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