Registered: Sep 2006
Location: central PA
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I was wondering if anyone knows why we cant use our dogs for bear in pa

Thanks

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Registered: Jan 2008
Location: Northeast Pa
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State law says so came close to a bear today yote hunting i crossed the creek and looked up this tree about 20-25 feet away and the first branch up sat a 275lb bear looking at me. the dogs we down the creek thank god

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Registered: Dec 2008
Location: PA
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No big game hunting with dogs here. I have no clue why. If I see my neighbor (head game warden for my region) I will ask him why..

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Registered: Oct 2006
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you would think that pa. would atleast open a training season like we have in ny. closin time, if you want to come up here next summer for a run give me a call.

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Registered: Sep 2006
Location: central PA
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matt I will take you up on that, we have been going to wv to run them
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Registered: Dec 2008
Location: Hallstead, P.A.
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I wonder if the pgc even realizes the interest is there? lets get some people together and present a plan to the state. training season only, northern counties only? what are they gonna do...turn us down? big deal, at least we planted the idea.

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is the majoritey of people in pa that dont wount hound hunting on bear they would rather drive the bear.i wish it was legal in pa to run bear

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Registered: Jan 2008
Location: Northeast Pa
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they should open a 2 day season just like the do for the archers

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you would think that pa. would atleast open a training season like we have in ny. closin time, if you want to come up here next summer for a run give me a call.

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Registered: Jan 2008
Location: Northeast Pa
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He means come run a bear during training season not to kill one.

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Registered: Mar 2007
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pa- there is no training season for bear. here in ny, just training a hound is considered hunting, and there is no hunting bears with dogs, so there for no training on bears with dogs, small game and coyotes and bobcats only, no deer or bear

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Registered: Jan 2008
Location: Northeast Pa
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everyone i talk to there is like a month trainging season maybe two months in june or sometime around there.

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Pa. My buddies have been going to N.Y. the last 5 yrs. to train on bear. They go up the 1st Sat. in July for 2 wks. You can google N.Y. D.E.C. for info on license. They call it a Black Bear Tracking dog license. It will give the regulations on it also.
You outta check it out N.Y. Blues

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(b) Black bear tracking dog license.

(1) Qualifications. An applicant for a license must:

(i) provide proof of possession of a current New York big game hunting license; and

(ii) not have been convicted of, pled guilty to, or settled by civil settlement or otherwise for, the illegal taking of a bear or the illegal sale of bear parts within the last five years.

(2) Issuance. Applicants who meet the qualifications for a license must submit a completed, signed application and:

(i) a $25 fee for a license valid for one year; or

(ii) a $100 fee for a license valid for five years.

(3) Entitlements.

(i) A black bear tracking dog license issued by the department entitles the licensee to train and use certified black bear tracking dogs to track, trail, pursue and tree bears from July 1 until nine days before the opening of the northern zone early bear season in the northern training area and from July 1 until October 6 in the southern training area. A licensee may also assist with the alleviation or halting of damage caused by bears as provided in subdivision (c) of this section.

(ii) Residents of any age and non-residents under the age of 18, who have not been issued a black bear tracking dog license and have not been convicted of, pled guilty to, or settled by civil settlement or otherwise for, the illegal taking of a bear or the illegal sale of bear parts within the last five years may accompany a licensee during the training and use of certified black bear tracking dogs to track, trail, pursue and tree bears.

(iii) Non-residents 18 years old and older who have not been issued a black bear tracking dog license, but do possess a current New York big game hunting license and have not been convicted of, pled guilty to, or settled by civil settlement or otherwise for, the illegal taking of a bear or the illegal sale of bear parts within the last five years, may accompany a licensee during the training and use of certified black bear tracking dogs to track, trail, pursue and tree bears.

(4) Conditions.

(i) No person may capture, take, kill or attempt to kill a bear with the aid of a dog except by permit issued pursuant to subdivision 1 of Section 11-0521 of the Environmental Conservation Law.

(ii) No person may possess a longbow, pistol, rifle, shotgun or firearm of any kind while using dogs to track, trail, pursue or tree bear except under a permit issued pursuant to subdivision 1 of section 11-0521 of the Environmental Conservation Law.

(iii) Black bear tracking dog training hours will be from one half hour before sunrise to sunset.

(iv) Only certified black bear tracking dogs may be used to track, trail, pursue or tree bears.

(v) At least two but no more than eight certified black bear tracking dogs must be used to track, trail, pursue or tree bears, except an additional four certified black bear tracking dogs may be brought in to the tree for purposes of training after the chase has ended and the bear is treed.

(vi) No relaying of packs or dogs is allowed when tracking bear.

(vii) Each black bear tracking dog must have a tag which includes the owner's name, address and telephone number.

(viii) No more that 12 people may accompany a pack of dogs during the tracking, trailing, pursuit or treeing of bears.

(ix) At least one person accompanying the pack must be a licensee.

(x) No licensee may release dogs after a bear when the ambient air temperature or the reported ambient air temperature as reported in the local weather report for that area is above 85 degrees Fahrenheit.

(xi) Licensees will make every effort to completely terminate any bear chase or to remove their dogs and leave a treed bear whenever the ambient air temperature is above 90 degrees Fahrenheit, or when the bear is observed panting.

(xii) Licensees must complete and return any survey, questionnaire or daily diary provided by the department.

(xiii) The department may at any time amend license conditions establishing reporting requirements. Licensees will be notified in writing of any license condition amendments and the period of time during which they are in effect.

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so there is a way that some one can run bears, that still means that there is no training season that just anyone can run dogs, thanks for the info, just didnt want people to get in big trouble with the DEC, looks like a lot of hoops to jump threw to run them though, and best watch this reg:

(iv) Only certified black bear tracking dogs may be used to track, trail, pursue or tree bears.

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A certified black bear tracking dog is defined as: a dog which is one of the following breeds or a cross thereof: airedale,black and tan coonhound, bluetick, majestic tree hound, cur, english coonhound, plott hound, redbone coonhound, treeing walker and leopard cur and is licensed, collared, identified and vaccinated against rabies. MAYBE THIS JUST ISN'T YOUR KINDA THING.

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I believe your right Rem 700.
N.Y. Blues doesn't get out much does he? We have to have the same thing on our dogs too, rabies shot, and a collar with a license and ID on it. Hell all my dogs are "certified" Black Bear trackers.

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Registered: Apr 2006
Location: emporium,Pennsylvania
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I live in cameron county pa, It is beyond me why are game commision will not open a season on bear that you could use hound's. I think we should get petition started. This last bear season their was 68 bear killed in cameron . It was to cold this year and the bears was holed up. let's get a petition started and send it to the game commision.

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Jeff,
I sent you a PM but your mailbox is full. You need to clean some stuff out to receive more.

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Its' cleaned out

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Part of the reason we can't use hounds is that we kill enough bears with out other types of hunting, we kill more bears in pa than any other state in the east, maybe in the US. And we do it in three days, for comparison, i believe NY has 79 days of bear season and they've only cleared a thousand bears in the last year or two, maine has bait and hound hunting and they don't take nearly as many as pa.

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Registered: Jan 2009
Location: Wv
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you could use dogs there would be less small bear taking and it would help the bear more and us hound hunters would injoy the rase more than the kill

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If the Pa game commission would impose a size limit(as most every other state),the kill number would drop quite a bit.Here in Wv a bear must be 100 lbs and NOT be acompanyed by a cub.We all have seen the pics and post from Pa of sows and 2,3 4 cubs all killed.Why any one would want to shoot a 50 lb bear is beyond me.
That being said,I will say the management of Pa bears has worked and is working.However sooner or later the "cub killin" will bite them.The antis will get to them sooner than later.
Impose a size limit and open up a limited hound hunt.There is plenty of public land in Pa for this. Not to mention the extra revenue it would bring to Pa.Bearhunters from bordering states would jump at the chance to hound hunt "virgin" bear.

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where I live in pa is one of less populated counties in pa.I lived in this county most of my life and I'd have to say in the last 10 years are bear population rose dramaticly. that beeing said we have to many bear and that is causing a lot of different trouble's for the people of emporium that has deal with them in town and the bears getting in the garbage and the bears tearing into everythig.In one area of cameron county a couple of years ago the killed close to close to 20 bears in three hollow's. The hollow's are cook's run, john's, and britton run. I talked to guy's that said the 20 was low for a count. And there was alot more that that.

If you don't beleive what I'm saying call are game commision and get a bear kill report, or get on the wepsite. And you are right bearhunter we need the revenue, There is plenty of public land and state forest land plus seneca resoures is the second biggest land holder in cameron county.

rem700, I live here and see the bear numbers growing more and more every year. there's is nights that we been out coon hunting that we have seen more bear than deer. So far this year not even trying my walker dog treed 2 bears already. the reason pa kill's so many bear is because they are so many out there the number has to drop some.

last summer I got A call from A guy that bought the homestead hotel an old resturant out side emporium a mile or less. Any how he had problem's with coon's living in side the building so I went with my box trap's and set them went up the next day and went up A flight of stair's and checked my traps had a coon while careing the coon down I looked down and there was a big bear track in side the building, after we went up.

We need to release the bear hound's


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Registered: Sep 2006
Location: central PA
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ok so what do we need to do, to try and get this passed????

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