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OLIVER JACKSON
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Raccoon Valley Queen?

Is this Skuna River Fred's dam? What all was she bred to? Clint, Fred, Rat, Skuna River Lipper. What dominant trait did she put in her pups?

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Alan Smith can tell you about her, Knoxville TN.

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She had a Beautiful Mouth!!!

She had absolutely, ZERO bad tree Habits.

She Would Lay Her Belly Up on the TREE and Tell The World she was TREED!!

GREAT REPRODUCER!!!

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What about track style? I was thinking about crossing a Fred female on Wrangler to double up on Queen. I was hoping they would not trail to much.

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Don't know a lot about them but I know they are straight up no jumping or chewing hard treedogs.

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QUEEN WAS ALSO BRED TO BARK THE BEST CROSS ON QUEEN WAS RAT WHICH PRODUCED PATCH FANCY GANDER .HOMER WAS FROM THE FRED CROSS ALL THE DOGS I HAVE HUNTED OFF OF QUEEN ARE LOUD AND TRAIL AND TREE COONS

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Thanks a lot. She certainly has been dominant as far as reproducing while being bred to several different dogs. I know all of the dogs off of Rat and Queen did bunch of winning. I heard Patch was real nice.

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Most consistent dogs Ive ever hunted with. Yes and Patch is a nice as you will ever find. All of them tree just like there momma, belly tight.

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Vannie, did you ever raise any pups off of Fancy?

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THANKS FOR THE NICE COMMENTS ON PATCH VANNIE I LET KEVIN LISTEN TO PATCHES PUPS OUT OF KAHUNA TREEING IN THE WILD THEY ARE SUPER LOUD AND WILD CALL ME SOMETIME

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Randy,

How many dogs have you hunted off her?

Where they mostly accurate?

Did all have good change over like her?

I have two Gr. Nite Ch Females off of Fred that I'm going to double up ole Queen on Wrangler and see what I get.

I am really excited about trying this.

That ole female thru a tree dog with no bad habits.

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Gene, when are you gonna have some Wrangler x Haint pups? I had a four month old out of Cotton that died on me and would like to try that cross out if you plan to make it.

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SMOKEY MT I HUNTED WITH ALL THE RAT CROSS A TWO OF THE BARK CROSS ALL THREE FEMALES OFF OF THE RAT CROSS HAVE PUPS THAT ARE 9months 6months and 4 months old they were bred to KAHUNA SALT CREEK SOCKETT AND BARK call and we will talk more on these crosses i do THINK WRANGLER WILL BE A REPRODUCER THAT THE WALKER BREED NEEDS RIGHT NOW

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Glynn we bred her to Jerry Molls Socket dog, had 9 pups. I really like them. They all have best personally of any pups I have ever raised. they are almost 5 months old. Randy, Kevin told me he heard them treed. I am glad you are going to train mine for me before you send it to me. lol

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I believe she was bred to Thunders Wild Clyde too.

Good info.

I have a Wipeout/Lipper bred female I am considering breeding to Wrangler this spring. I think the dog down in Ark named Hickory out of Fred x Backwater Pearl would cross well too.

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I Might Be dead WRONG on this, BEEN WRONG BEFORE, but there are ALOT of Coon Hunters out there that will tell you they are tired of hunting dogs that don't sound LIKE A HOUND and LOOK LIKE A HOUND.

I bought Wrangler for one REASON and that is to try and do some VERY SELECTIVE BREEDING with FEMALES that have some of those SAME attributes that HE has.

I put his STUD FEE high on purpose. I have owned stud dogs before that I would breed ANYTHING to for the dollar. I will not do that with this dog.

He only has 22 pups on the ground. He might not even reproduce.

He turn 7 last week and in the next 3 years, his daddy is 12, my goal is to breed him to ONLY QUALITY FEMALES.

Wrangler is the Product of ALOT of SOLID OLD FASHION COON HUNTERS.

I can take NO CREDIT for HIM but there is not a Coon Hunter alive that will not tell you He has a once in a lifetime mouth and looks.

And HE TREES COONS.

Todd Norfleet DESERVES a lot of CREDIT for this dog and I deserves none.

Randy Steadman has been bragging on ole Queen around here in these MTN. for a long time, I wish I would have bought her way before her death.

I remember Curt Sybert Telling me at the PKC WORLD HUNT about her and Keith Medley telling me some of the same things about this line of dogs.

HOMER and FRED both are GREAT STUD dogs.

Ask Duke Proulx about the HOMER PUPS HE RAISED.

Allen Smith also deserves more credit than we gave him.

I have Rock River Lady, Trackman Mother, and Mojo mother that I am about to breed to Wrangler and two Gr. Nite Fred females.

Thanks a whole lot to the men that still value what a hound should look like and act like and sound like.

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Queen

Queen is a reproducer bar none. I have hunted with several pups off of her off different litters. They all were nice hounds. She consistently reproduced on several different studs.

Wrangler is a super nice hound in any mans book also as well as is his littermate brother Levi. Both are big mouth hounds that will go the distance and stay treed all night with no foolishness until you get there.

Gene- I got one that needs to setup an appointment with ol Wrangler here before long. It will be a second time cross. I got one of the results from the first cross here at the house. HINT!HINT! I sent you a pm with the details.

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I like the thoughts of breeding one of our Rat/Queen females to Wrangler myself. I tried to get Vannie to lets breed Fancy to him when she came in heat before. She's going out of heat now and if not for the World hunt in Feb. I might would of slipped up there myself.

To who asked above about Queen's pup's locates. I can tell you Fancy has one heck of a male dog mouth locate then belly up on the tree.

P.S. She's alot prettier than patch





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I believe she was bred to Thunders Wild Clyde too.

Good info.



She was I bought a female from that litter as well. Wasn't near as pleased with it.

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Is Homer's Gomer still alive?

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GOMERS BEEN GONE ALONG TIME JOHN HE IS ONE DOG THAT EVRYBODY ALWAYS HAD SOMETHING GOOD TO SAY ABOUT LIKE OLE CORNELL

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Randy you mean I couldn't even get a rise out of my PS line.

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