Registered: Oct 2006
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
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Howdy guys, new here. Anyway, my dad and brother went to an open HOUND event last Saturday, and a Leopard Cur entered the hunt! He ended up winning my brothers cast and 1st place in the registered hunt. I called Allen G. 1st thing mon morning and he cleared it all up, gave my brother the cast and hunt win (without that cur he was high scoring dog). Everything turned out just fine, but heres my point, how many cur guys are going to try this? I go to a hound hunt to hunt with hounds, not squirrel dogs. I respect those guys for hunting those dogs, but give me a break, I thought every cur or hound person would know you can;t hunt to two together. Thanks for reading this guys!

PS I hunt redbones, Outlaw Jessie (female) linebred. this is one of the best lines of red dogs. There are many good lines, but I like these.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by littlewabashred
? I go to a hound hunt to hunt with hounds, not squirrel dogs.



sounds like for a squirrel dog it did better than your brothers hound on coons, if he won the cast and hunt.

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I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but sounds to me like that leopard is a coon dog.

Not trying to stir anything, but how did that get entry get past the M.O.H. ?? You are right, it is very well known that curs do not hunt against hounds in U.K.C.

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I'll tell you exactly how the dog won, and this is straight out of the owner of the leopards mouth. There was a Bluetick bitch in the cast who was scratched for coming into heat. My brothers dog was the only male dog (and winning the cast) and he stood there and was licking on the blue bitch while the leopard got struck and treed. He did go in and get a 3rd tree on the deal, but he should have called interference and went back to the truck and moved, but he's 15, you can't tell him a thing. You tell me if my brother really got beat bad or not. The Leopards score was 400+, my brothers black dog was at 275+ at the end of the hunt.

I really don't know how the M O H let it get by him, but he did. Who knows what he was thinking!

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Leopard Curs are hounds. Obviously, as you've seen, they are used for coonhunting! How many squirrel did this dog tree?

Should we scratch Plotts because they are bear dogs?

Should we scratch Labs from bird dog events because they are used as seeing eye dogs? Scratch Walkers because they are foxhounds? Boy, wouldn't that make it easier. Black & Tans were originally coon and foxhounds, and you'll still see that. Should we scratch them too? A lot of English are mixed because of heavy single registration in years past. Scratch them.

Shoot, if you're second in the cast, just scratch the cast winner.

I'd say let the best dog win, whether it's a Redbone, Walker, English, Black & Tan, Plott, Bluetick, Whizzbang, or Whatchamacallit. It's about treeing coon. At least it should be!!!

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I'd say you got beat deal with it.

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I always was told by some very wise old timers that if a dog trees coon hes a coon dog. He apparently that dog can tree some coon. I dont think its the cur owners fault the other dog came into heat, I'd agree with you got beat by a better coonDOG

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i got a good beagle that trees coons i think ill give him shot at the next ukc hunt i go to err maybe PKC hunt i might be able to get by and register him crossbred lol

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i know im not real smart cause im a coon hunter and a master of hounds for ukc but why wasnt anything done by the master of hounds when he took the entrys for the hunt or filled out his win reciept thats my first question my secound why ur brother didnt say anything when u got them out to turn lose cause i wouldnt have waited till he beat me to b#*ch about it i wouldve let ukc when they got the report to fix it i guess if u can beat them get them scratched after they beat u and by the score he beat u by more than the first tree BUT UR THE WINNER NOW WHOOO

BUT I DIDNT KNOW WE WERE NOT ALOUD TO HUNT A HOUND AND A CUR SO I GUESS ILL HAVE TO CALL MY HUNTING BUDDY AND TELL HIM I CANT HUNT WITH HIM ANY MORE CAUSE HE DONT HUNT A HOUND BUT I NOT SURE WHAT IT IS BUT I NOW IT S A CUR BUT HE GOT SOOM NICE COOOOON DOGS FOR NOT BEING A COON DOG but i do now u cant hunt them together in the hunt though

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Why didn't the entry takers realize the dog shouldn't have been put in the hunt ??

Why don't they let Curs enter ??? If they are coondogs they should be allowed in..

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I just think it dosent sound right that they took the leopard owners entry fee without telling him he could not hunt.M.O.H. or entry taker should have caught at entry time.

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I am a hound and cur man. I don't understand still to this day why we cannot hunt our curs with the hounds. I guess it would be to upsetting if a hound man got beat. What a crock of #$%^. I personally have never heard anybody in my life whine like this old boy is doing. I do not think it is right that the person entered his cur dog, but the rules need changing. By the way, my cur bitch probably wouldn't tree a sq unless it jumped in front of her. I am glad this happened though, maybe, but I doubt it, UKC will open their frickin eyes. What a deal. Funny how other registries let them all hunt together. Oh, I know, then get out and go join them other registries right. That ain't an answer folks. That is like someone complaining about the way our government runs something and telling that person to get out if they don't like it. Ya, that makes a ton of sense. Lord knows we should all sit back and be quiet while our "government" runs our lives for us. I don't think that is the way things were set up in the first place. UKC is a private entity yes, but without it's participants it is nothing. Sure is funny a hound got beat by a "squirrel dog" in a night hunt. What a joke. Once again it wasn't right and I know this, but there needs to be some changes made.

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Ukc needs to let them hunt. What ever a man shows up with. This guy should have his Leopard single registered as a blue tick untill they do..... and just keeps winning those casts! Sounds like the "squirrel" dogs are taking over. I don't think I'd want the cast win on my dog if I had to get it by crying... JMO of course.

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"This guy should have his Leopard single registered as a blue tick untill they do"

That would be hard to do, since the dog looks exactly like a Black and Tan...

Everybody is getting too carried away with this whole thing. You all think I'm just being a cry baby about this whole thing? I could care less if my brother gets beat in a hunt, its happened before, it will happen again, thats all part of coonhunting.

Plus, people say the dog must be a coondog, let him hunt. If UKC changed the rule tommorrow that they could hunt, I wouldn't care! But, I am a member of the American Leopard Cur Breeders Assoc. (Along with NRCA and ARCA) (yes, I have owned some leopards) and I don't think they can beat hounds in certain conditions. And just because the dog is a coondog, doesnt mean he is a coonHOUND, there is a difference.

So, if you think you know all about me by reading this, you don't. Oh, and the MOH was convinced by this guy that "UKC has just changed the rule about hounds and curs." So, I wasn't sure so I called Allen G and asked about it and he started investigating. I even told him when I called, "I don't really care, I just want to know if they did change the rule."

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"I don't think I'd want the cast win on my dog if I had to get it by crying... "

I didn't get the cast win by crying, I have no interest in this dog at all. My brother was handling him, my dad is 1/2 owner, and I was driving my semi when the hunt was going on! I've heard a lot of people say that, but they are usually the first ones to cry about a guys dog blowing on the tree and their dog wouldn't tree with them when they get back to the club. Be honest guys, if you aren't sure about how something is done at a hunt, what do you do. Sit at home and do nothing, or call someone and ask a question? You can't claim ignorance about a situation if you never ask someone who knows more than you.

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I bet you wouldnt have said anything if your brothers dog had won the cast , but all in all your right rules r the rules untill they are change , but you guys should have said something alot earlier , and if you didnt know about the rules reguarding cur dog then you r just as quilty as the other guy , I learned on my first hunt the hard way about knowing the rules it almost made me not go to another hunt after that , and i had a live by the rules die by the rules attiude for awhile ,

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i wonder if i will ever get to hunt my weiner dog in a coon hunt event? He can run and tree with the best of them.

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What I can't understand is how does that dog getting scratched justifty your brother's dog being AWARDED a cast win and getting credit for winninng 1st place.

Notice I didn't say won the cast or earned a 1st win because he didn't. Fact is that your brother's dog didn't even win the cast the cur dog did. If things are really going to be done right it seems to me that the dog that placed second in the hunt deserves to be moved up to that 1st place in that hunt.

I personally don't care what someone else brings to hunt, cur, fiest, crossbred it doesn't matter And yes getting beat by 125 on two coon is a pretty bad whipping in my book!

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my next question is why would the owner of the cur dog want to enter a U.K.C. hound event, the dog could not earn any points or titles, why enter ??

Sounds like a nice cur dog that should be taken to some P.K.C. events though.

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I would say to probably prove a point. Maybe, not the right way to go about it, but ya know. It is such a BS debate cause there would be no harm at all in any of it. I don't even think most cur guys care if they can hunt against the hounds, just let them hunt the same night against each other. That way they can hang out with all their buddies and tell lies before and after the hunt. Seems to me that would be best for all involved.

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I would say to probably prove a point. Maybe, not the right way to go about it, but ya know. It is such a BS debate cause there would be no harm at all in any of it. I don't even think most cur guys care if they can hunt against the hounds, just let them hunt the same night against each other. That way they can hang out with all their buddies and tell lies before and after the hunt. Seems to me that would be best for all involved.

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THE WHOLE CAST AND OTHERS.

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why are the hound guys worried about hunting with curs.i guess that tells you something dont it.i hunt with curs.thanks ron

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but from a clubs point of veiw why have one a cur hunt when they cant even draw enough curs to pay the ukc fee for it so for the clubs and let the club have a chance to get a couple more dogs in the hunt so why not let them hunt with the hounds becase i feel if i draw a cur and dont win the best dog or handler won on that night and do people think that all the hounds are really what they are supose to be on paper so i say let them hunt with the hounds if they want to

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sounds like somebody got a whipping by a cur dog,go curs

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