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my friends and I got into a heated discusion the other night about what age to give up on a young dog or pup so was wondering every body elses opinion on this

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18 months as long as they have had a fair chance.

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18month to 2yrs old depends on the wood time
if i raise them my self and they are showin no interest by 18months its time to cull them if some one else raises them ill spend a little time with them and see if they are worth the time

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I think it all depends on what you are looking for, and what (if anything) the pup shows. If the pup isn't showing several aspects of what you like to see in a hound by 14 months, then you should probably put your time into something else. Not saying that pup won't end up being a nice hound, but if you want something that satisfies you, you should be able to see it at just over a year old.

I usually keep them around longer than most. What I have found, is that I can make them handle like a million bucks, but if it they don't have it in the woods you are still as unhappy with that "pup" at three years old.

My experience is that if they aren't doing the things you want at 14-16 mo., they no amount of training will change their style. If you're looking for something "special", your rifle and shovel won't be collecting any dust.

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i have given up on alot of dogs to early to find out later they made great coon dogs i still think most dogs still have alot of puppy in them at 3 years old ive learned my lession if i think they will make a coon dog i hold on to them for quite a while i think most dogs are at there prime at 5 to 6 years of age but thats just me i guess

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Originally posted by Jim Hill
i still think most dogs still have alot of puppy in them at 3 years old ive learned my lession if i think they will make a coon dog i hold on to them for quite a while i think most dogs are at there prime at 5 to 6 years of age but thats just me i guess [/B]

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if the young hound was raised by me and has reached the age of 18mo and can't or won't get the job done it won't be here long.
NO THREE YEAROLD DOG IS A PUP A THREE YEAR OLD DOG THAT WON'T HUNT IS A CULL. Provided the dog has had a honest chance in the woods at night .

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its mainly the amount of chance they had. you can take an older dog that never had a chance and still make it a good hound. although i think there is probably some older ones that could have turned out if given a chance when they were young that might not have the character left after a number of years depending on what kind of life they had.

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IT DEPENDS ON THE DOG. SOME DOGS JUST CANNOT BE TAUGHT, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU HUNT THEM.

SOME OF THEM CAN LEARN AT AN OLDER AGE, I MEAN, LOOK AT POOR OLE HANK.

HE WAS BEAR HUNTED UP UNTIL THE TIME HE WAS 3 AND WE GOT HIM BECAUSE HE CAME OFF A RED HOT BEAR AND TREED A COON, AND HIS OWNER WAS A 3 STRIKES YOUR OUT AND THAT WAS THE THIRD TIME HE'D DONE THAT.

WE STARTED HUNTING HIM, AND YES, HE HAD ALOT OF PROBLEMS, BUT NOT NOW. HE'S A VERY CONSISTENT HOUND NOW.

IF THE DOG HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE TRAINED AND BE WHAT YOU WANT, YOU SHOULD NEVER GIVE UP. IF IT DOSENT, THEN IT'S YOUR CHOICE.

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well in my opinion we as hunters and breeders expect way to much from puppies. I am just as guilty as the next person , the earlier 1 pup starts the lower our tolerances go for the next pup that we raise and train. Most pups with potentail will show some signs of wanting to preform by 12 months old i believe but it sure wouldnt hurt any of us to give them a little more time to develop and mature. Puppies are just like kids not all develop at the same speed, just because they develop a little slower doesnt mean they wont become the quality of hound we desire or demand.


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I AREE 100%! AND I KNOW YOU WASNT PICKIN ON ME, NOTHING THERE TO PICK! LOL. YOU UNDERSTOOD THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE, AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS!

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Now hold on a minnute....

I agree that a pup should be have enough ability to be exposed to desired game and the rest (for the most part) should come naturally..

But, If Ol' hank had prefered possum or deer to bear, we wouldent be talking about his natural ability at all.

All the natural ability in the world isnt worth much if they dont have the brains to use it.

Im not picking on you either Christy, Just the way the world looks to me....

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once you have one that runs and trees and holds pressure at 6 months or so, you won't keep one until it is 2 , not doing anything. a year maybe.

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and yet there was a thousand posts about him, sheep might be in second place by now with out him.

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DID ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS POST TURN ABOUT HANK. MY GOD ALL I DID WAS USE HIM FOR AN EXAMPLE AND WHAM, PEOPLE START SLAMMING US AGAIN.


ALL I'M SAYING IS IF THE DOG IS NATURAL, IT CAN BE TRAINED. IF NOT, YOU'VE GOT YOUR WORK CUT OUT FOR YOU.

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ive never had this problem since i got my first pup. but if i had to i would say at 1 or 1.5 years if the dog is doing absolutly nothing by that time

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IMO if you give up before 18 months old you will miss out on a lot of very nice hounds. I learned it by accident, and i have been very glad I did ever since. I bought a beatiful pup, blanket back red head. I raised him part time in the house and my wife loved him, at 8 months old he went deer crazy. by the time he was 15 months he was still deer crazy and would not even look at a coon. I was going to put him down but my wife threw a fit. I put him on the chain and one night my wife beged me to take him. That night the old dog fell in there and treed, as i was walking to him old Timber started treeing 50 yards short of him. I walked on past him and went on to the old dog. When i came back through I went to him and he had a coon. He went from that to, Coon Dog before quick. He was one of the very best Hounds I have ever followed.

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If I raise a Hound, Hunt it regularly, and By the Time, its a Year, Old, shows no desire to Hunt or Tree, I give up on it.

I dont expect it to be a Coondog, at a Year old, but By that age, it should atleast run and tree with other hounds.

By 18 Months Old, I expect it to be able to tree its own Coon, at least an easy one.

By Two Years Old, I expect a Hound to be a Fairly Competent Young Coon Dog, able to Work Most Tracks, and Tree Coons Consistently.

From Three Years Old, or Older, It should be a Veteran Coondog, that will only get better.

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I am Still a Fan of Hanks, as Alwayse.
Ive got an Extra Nice Walker, Male over here, that looks alot like Hank, and is a Natural, but this Hound, started life as a Hog Dog, he has the Scars to Prove it. Ive only had to Get him off of one Hog, but have treed Many Coons with him.
Kind of like Hank, Hank is a Natural Coon dog, who was started off on other game.

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i was just saying i have a dog here at 18 months wasnt reall doing alot i sold her and 2 months later bought her back and right now she can not be bought i just think alot of people sell to soon or thats how i was for a while

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to me anyone that does this is a complete moron,because some dogs are like some kids and don't develope as early as others and I have had young dogs start at 4 1/2 months old and some start at 1 1/2 to 2 years and still don't give up on them, there is a guy up by Bear lake,Michigan that if a dog doesn't do something between the ages of 6 months to 15 months old he culls them and he has told me he has culled them at 6 months and at 4 months and he has culled some really nice hounds at very young ages and but to me he doesn't have any since when it comes to dogs and he is a follower he will do what everyone he likes tell him to do, to me I think he just doesn't have enough sence to train one, He also thinks that even if a dog has staples and stitches in it if it shows it wants to hunt to go ahead and hunt it, well I don't, I think you should give the dog time to heal and then hunt it, So now he has acused me of being PETA just cause I told him that culling dogs the way he does it and hunting dogs with Staples and Stitches in them was wrong and cruel and in humane and because I think a man or woman should take pride in their dogs and treat them right and be responsible and if you can't do this then you don't need a dog or any other type of animal. If this makes me PETA then or fricken well. I take pride in my dogs and I love to hear them in the woods but if one is sick or injured I leave it at home until it is better, and I don't cull young dogs because it does something I don't like I fix the problem and continue its education.

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we got a little pup at a benifit auction a while back, she was 9 mos old and would go with the old dogs and tree with them but would not open on track, the kid didnt like her , because she wasnt hunting flawlessly at 9 mos. we brought her home put her up for a while and let her be a pup agian. Now she opens on track, and trees like a mad dog

she won a treeing contest at the same club we bought her form, and the kid wanted to buy her back LOL appx 110BPM , they had a hard time counting her. she is now 1 yor.

i say depending on the dog let them be a pup for a while, my eng pup treed a wild coon at 6 mos but we put her up b/c she is not mature enough to handle the pressure.

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THAT PEOPLE SHOULD STOP PUTTING SO MUCH EMPHASIS ON HOW EARLY A PUP STARTS AND LOOK AT HOW IT STARTS. DOES IT LEARN ALONG THE WAY, OR JUST BOOM.

AFTER ALL DOGS WILL EVEN ACT LIKE PUPS WHEN THEY GET OLD.



YOU DONT RUSH A THREE YEAR OLD INTO TRIGENOMETRY, DONT RUSH YOUR COON DOGS! LOL.

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Funny but true story for you. My hunting buddy bought a young dog from a guy here in central Kansas. He was a well bred dog for a bluetick, Anyways he hunted the dog for a good bit and he just couldnt move a track worth a hoot and was not cutting the musturd! He offered him to me and I was not interested in him because he hadnt shown me anything exciting so he sold him cheap.(he was still a young dog). Low and behold I later saw him in the cooner at stud! Dual GR.NT.CH Piney Creek Screwy Lewy............... Dont give up to soon! By the way, My buddys name is Brock Wilson from Newton Kansas.

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