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Can you teach a dog to be colder nosed?
A man I talked with stated if you catch and turn out coon for training, and progressively wait longer and longer that you can develop a cold nose tracking ability.
Has anyone tried this or a similar method?

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I had a guy tell me once he had a real cold nosed dog that could track coon to his freezer that he had put in there 6 months before not sure how he trained that one LOL.

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Dog cold trailed one night and treed in a hollow tree after the discussion of whether he had it or not and maybe a little bit of wagering lol,we decided to cut it down and find out. What we found in the middle of the tree was the skeleton of a large coon,that's when the discussion got real interesting! 😆

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I believe we can encourage our hunting dogs to work colder tracks….when the dogs show a little interest in the wind we give them every opportunity to get interested…we see how the wind is channeling and position towards a better location and when the game scent gets strong enough for the dogs, the dogs will figure out the rest…for me it has always been about bringing out the best from my dogs…
I prefer hunting into the wind and cross wind because I want the dogs to read the wind currents and to go to the game or to find a track they can work…i think hunting like this teaches the dog to use their noses to the best of their ability…when the game is scarce the colder nosed dog should have the advantage…

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Seen some blue dogs that could take a track so good backwards that they would eventually tree in the tree the coon was born in...

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D Ray 2nd that on them blueticks lol I’ve got a question if you turn dogs loose right at dark and they strike a bad track and can’t get it up and going when did that coon make that track middle of the day or somthin?

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Not many people agree with me but I think most dogs have about the same scenting ability. Some like to cold trail and some don't. I told about my male dog who seemed hot nosed. When I started hunting him with my cold trailing female he started cold trailing. He would pass up tracks that she would strike behind him. He'd come back and trail with her, so you know he could smell it. My friend asked a lion hunter where did he get those cold trailing dogs. He said the same dogs you coon hunt with. Put 'em down with cold trailing dogs and they learn it. One of the best man trailing dogs on record was a Doberman. He had to be trained to trail, but he had the nose. And I know there are exceptions. Every now and then you get an exceptionally cold nosed one, or a faster one or a louder one.

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I believe we can encourage our hunting dogs to work colder tracks….when the dogs show a little interest in the wind we give them every opportunity to get interested…we see how the wind is channeling and position towards a better location and when the game scent gets strong enough for the dogs, the dogs will figure out the rest…for me it has always been about bringing out the best from my dogs…
I prefer hunting into the wind and cross wind because I want the dogs to read the wind currents and to go to the game or to find a track they can work…i think hunting like this teaches the dog to use their noses to the best of their ability…when the game is scarce the colder nosed dog should have the advantage…

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I second that about using the wind, my gyp uses her nose into the wind. I have noticed when she strikes a layup she will circle way down wind and work it back to find the exact tree. At that point she starts locating and rolls it over. But I have noticed this happens a lot lately with her. She is a Sniper on a layup coon, but with that ability it amazes me how some hounds use their noses to the best of their ability. And no two are the same.

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🐾 The nose is the sensor, but the brain is the decision-maker:

The trigger I talk about…

They say most dogs have the same smelling ability but the brain is the decision maker…

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So what I get is that it is possible to develop a colder nosed, smarter, tracking dog.
So are there strategies to develop the thinking of a pup in the way you raise it? We do it with children.
I recall talking with a man who raises Airedales in New Mexico, who told me about a book by a guy never heard of that dealt with how to develop the canine brain and have a smarter animal.
This is possibly why some people seem to have better luck with hounds than others. Has anyone ever read such a book or use techniques that were not necessarily hunter specific but took a dogs thinking and problem solving to a different level?

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So what I get is that it is possible to develop a colder nosed, smarter, tracking dog.
So are there strategies to develop the thinking of a pup in the way you raise it? We do it with children.
I recall talking with a man who raises Airedales in New Mexico, who told me about a book by a guy never heard of that dealt with how to develop the canine brain and have a smarter animal.
This is possibly why some people seem to have better luck with hounds than others. Has anyone ever read such a book or use techniques that were not necessarily hunter specific but took a dogs thinking and problem solving to a different level?

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I believe a dog is born with a certain type nose and brain…
and like professional athletes they need to train to be their best…and in off season or a few years after retirement they are respected on account they were the best and it is still in them…same with the better dogs…

With pups I would stage a 50 lb shoat in the woods…i flagged the spot and also to see where the wind was crossing…i would carry the pups slowly and when they caught wind of the scent I would fire them up turn them loose and I would run towards the pig all the while keeping them fired up…i can not say it worked but most of mine would strike off the deck…the ones that showed the colder nose could pick up on wind currents from further away…

Read up on Epigenetics…there is much interesting information…it can validate what many dog men and women knew or validated their theories…

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I have my old Buster dog , tree coons other dogs could no smell, his mother was out of Ace and her mother was a litermate sister to Grnnitevch Set-em-up-Rex Allen,. I have seen good dogs at his tree just standing there not barking looking around like they are wondering what is this dog treeing? But he would have a coon. HE was a black&tan of course.

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Go on Youtube and look up blood trailing dogs. These dogs take tracks 36 hours old, trail over one mile and find a deer. The trainer starts on fairly hot blood trail and train on a colder trail until the dog will trail a very cold trail. and most of them are not hounds. So yes, a dog can be trained to cold trail.

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Good example! I would guess if you are pkc you would NOT want to develop this ability.
If you are like me, where sometimes you might road hunt 30-45 minutes to get a track, you want the dog that will not only take it but show you the fur at the end.
The same animal could be both types of a hunter depending on whose hands it falls into for training.

That is not a hard and fast rule 100%, but I have a dog from a line of nt ch and grNt ch’s that started a track last night the other dog did not open on for the first 600 yards and they eventually got it up and moving hot till Ricky had to tree.

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Good example! I would guess if you are pkc you would NOT want to develop this ability.
If you are like me, where sometimes you might road hunt 30-45 minutes to get a track, you want the dog that will not only take it but show you the fur at the end.
The same animal could be both types of a hunter depending on whose hands it falls into for training.

That is not a hard and fast rule 100%, but I have a dog from a line of nt ch and grNt ch’s that started a track last night the other dog did not open on for the first 600 yards and they eventually got it up and moving hot till Ricky had to tree.

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