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Having deep pockets helps…or willing to sacrifice and spend the money and invest the time for the dogs…

having a supportive spouse and family is important to succeed to the fullest…being somewhat of a business person with people skills helps…

I reckon a person with deep pockets can go out and purchase a top young hound and hire a top handler and then makes a name for himself…the dog starts getting a little old so it is time to sell it and repeat the process…

I’m thinking a true legend is someone who does the research and finds a good line of dogs…this person then breeds and improves this bloodline by selecting the best pups from each litter, and proving this pup as a top hunter and possibly as having the breeding potential in taking his line of dogs to the next level…if this person is winning consistently and producing winners for many years then this person is the true legend…

People can say they are hunting that famous line of dogs but after a while one must realize that the famous name is used but the creator of the bloodline is not there to select…maybe after a few generations we can hope for a throw back but this line is no longer the original…not the original dogs…

Getting into the mind of the legend and understanding their way of thinking when selecting and training pups…and eventually selecting from these dogs for breeding and campaigning would be very interesting and useful…

My thinking is this person has the ability to see potential in a pup and in a dog…this person doesn’t go out chasing and breeding to the next top winning hound…he or she knows hounds can only get to a certain level of performance…and theirs are already performing at that level…so why taint the bloodline with unknown’s?

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We haven’t had a good discussion in a while so hoping many will add their thoughts and opinions…thanks

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When I read this post, the first thing that comes to my mind is folks like Cheyenne Cummings, a man that breeds, raises his own stock, trains his own stock and competes with his own stock and wins with his own stock. Anyone can buy a dog if they have the money and hire a handler. A legend is one that does it all, breeds, raises, trains and wins with his own stock. I congratulate the men like Cheyenne Cummings that are the complete package, not just a man with deep pockets. I have never trained but one dog and that was enough for me to know that training was not my cup of tea. Way to much time to be stuck with just what you got and not what you wanted. Buying a dog has always been my mo and I am truly indebted to those men like Cheyenne that put the work in so I do not have to. I enjoy a coon dog, but they are few and far between. That's why men like myself appreciate men like Cheyenne, they train dogs for men like me. Dave

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Could not have said it better Dave. Chey has a great supporting cast, he will be the first to say that as well. Longevity is key in making a legend, in a dog or man. As the past year we lost a lot of legends. John Monroe is just about the last of the Breeders and promoters from the sixties that I remember. But the Cummings, are on that path. Healthy New Year to all.

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Could not have said it better Dave. Chey has a great supporting cast, he will be the first to say that as well. Longevity is key in making a legend, in a dog or man. As the past year we lost a lot of legends. John Monroe is just about the last of the Breeders and promoters from the sixties that I remember. But the Cummings, are on that path. Healthy New Year to all.

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I think Jen is the brains of the outfit. Chey is just her handler, lol.

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I came up in the coon hunting world as a nobody and to most I still am. I don't have the deep pockets, and I have a very understanding new wife (Jennifer Cummings Jr.) with Ash. One thing a guy has to do is find is "spot" in the world. You a hard hunting dog trainer, or you a guy that buys the good ones and goes from there. Either way you have to acquire the quality of dog it take to win with as well as take them to town and get on the big stage with the backdrop. Practice still makes perfect and it pays dividends. All about who you know and with social media now days you have to get your name out there almost like a modern day Timothy Ball!

Tom, Jen is most definitely the brains when it comes to the desk work part of the operation!

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I too hunted with my father in law, we had many nights in the woods together. I wish I had him back for more hunts, but treasure the memories of the ones we had. It is important to have a wife that understands the passion we have to coon hunt, not everyone can or will understand this passion. May you and Cheyenne have many nights hunting together, building memories and training coon dogs. Dave

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I too hunted with my father in law, we had many nights in the woods together. I wish I had him back for more hunts, but treasure the memories of the ones we had. It is important to have a wife that understands the passion we have to coon hunt, not everyone can or will understand this passion. May you and Cheyenne have many nights hunting together, building memories and training coon dogs. Dave

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Thanks Dave! I'm hope we will hunt together many more nights, I've had a great role model in the game as well as teacher. I still wouldn't call him the "brains" as he had us out hunting in a single digit wind chill last weekend and loved every minute of it... me on the other hand didn't LOL

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