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Is there such a breed or bloodline that seems to try to please it’s owner or is that something that just happens?

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Every Clean dog I've owned has been that way. It's the main reason I keep hunting them

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Personally...I think some of the get deep quick dogs are not wanting to please...they just want to tree or catch a coon...

It seems to me a dog that really wants to please will hunt closer to the handler...

No facts here just common sense opinions...

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I’ll probably get some blowback on this but I don’t think a hound actually tries to “please” it’s owner.

I think the term is “biddable”. Many people think their dogs hunt to please their owners. I think the good ones hunt because that’s what their genetics have “programmed” them to do.

I think the “biddable” ones are far easier to train or condition to commands and/or tone from a training collar. They also seem to me (from my personal experience) to often be on the “softer” side. Meaning it doesn’t take much of a reprimand to get through to them. They learn quickly.

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I’ll probably get some blowback on this but I don’t think a hound actually tries to “please” it’s owner.

I think the term is “biddable”. Many people think their dogs hunt to please their owners. I think the good ones hunt because that’s what their genetics have “programmed” them to do.

I think the “biddable” ones are far easier to train or condition to commands and/or tone from a training collar. They also seem to me (from my personal experience) to often be on the “softer” side. Meaning it doesn’t take much of a reprimand to get through to them. They learn quickly.

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I think more redbones are geared to make more personal dogs than lot other breeds. Never saw very many that was weird turned or shy where I can think of several in other breeds. And most dont have the high strung get deep attitude. Which makes them easier to handle and just more sociable. But still will tree coon and do it in classy style. Just my opinion

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I’ll probably get some blowback on this but I don’t think a hound actually tries to “please” it’s owner.

I think the term is “biddable”. Many people think their dogs hunt to please their owners. I think the good ones hunt because that’s what their genetics have “programmed” them to do.

I think the “biddable” ones are far easier to train or condition to commands and/or tone from a training collar. They also seem to me (from my personal experience) to often be on the “softer” side. Meaning it doesn’t take much of a reprimand to get through to them. They learn quickly.

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I have a male out of Bone Collector that seems to want to please. Just talking to him when he makes a mistake seems to be all he needs. I know he doesn't understand english but he sure seems to understand when your telling him he has done wrong. And it doesn't;t take much more than just a few words without any yelling or switching. The dam is out of drop dead fred so her genetics is in the pot of soup count also.

I don't think if a man hunted 100 years he can figure out actually what these dogs are doing. As you always see something new. New means different from what you have seen in the past with other young dogs.

Been hunting with a friend the past couple months about once a week. He has a fairly young english dog and a nice older one. The young dog is independent but in my opinion hasn't really shown to be a hard hunter. He would go off but the garmin indicates he is just wondering around more than hunting. Well we got a chance to give him some good exposure to a coon two weeks ago. About 5 days later we hunted again and this dog had a totally different hunting style than he had in the past. Stayed gone. Covered a lot of area, not a straight line out of the area and hunted like you would want one to hunt. My only conclusion is that exposure to the coon put another piece of the puzzle together that genetics has thrown into the dogs makeup. I think that is what good handlers do. They understand and do the right things with dogs so the genetic pieces fit together. They also understand when you have exhausted looking for part of the puzzle and cut their losses. These dogs want to fit their genetic makeup. Just sometimes their environment prevents it. Anyone that has put a jigsaw puzzle together knows. You start with the border pieces because you can see which ones they are. Then you check out the picture on the box top and use that as a guide on what your are doing. Most try to train a dog with no reference to a starting point or understand the border that all the pieces will fit into. Then after many attempts and failures. They get a dog that has more ability to define its own border. Then the human mind starts thinking that dog is exceptionally smart. wants to please, has all the right genetics. Only thing different is that dog had the genetics to start itself when some of your other dogs needed help and the handler failed. I firmly believe in genetics but genetics come out in our hounds in different ways and at different times. Many dogs are wasted while the handler is waiting on the genetics to show up. Kind of like a garden. Work the dog and the harvest will come.

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I have an Insane Cain dog that I probably like too much. But he causes and never has caused any grief. Bruce I also have Bone dog, he will flat put a walk on you.

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If you've never had a dog with the desire to please then I understand why you would have the question. Jr. Deventer calls them Lovey Dovey dogs. I bought Penney as a Pup from him and all Penneys pups are that way. Penney pups are also highly intelligent and protective of their owners. I think her ancesters were selected for these traits. The first top dog that had in the 70s was that way and he was Incredible Rock bred. Their personality is similar to a border collie or english shepard.

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Always felt a hound does what it does to please itself... u can try to bend them in the desired direction but at the end of the day i think a hounds ability also revolves around both hound and owner wanting the same thing. If treeing coons is what they enjoy they will work harder to get the job done... if they only tree them because the handler demands it I don’t think u will get the same amount of effort.

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Always felt a hound does what it does to please itself... u can try to bend them in the desired direction but at the end of the day i think a hounds ability also revolves around both hound and owner wanting the same thing. If treeing coons is what they enjoy they will work harder to get the job done... if they only tree them because the handler demands it I don’t think u will get the same amount of effort.

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Once you have had a line of smart hounds you can never go back the other way and be happy. Everything is easier and more enjoyable with a hound that wants to please.
Most of my time on a litter of pups is finding out who has the smarts. Our Hardwood Saul thinks he is one of the boys, does everything we do and is a top notch cooner in anybody’s book.
As Kler kry said cowdog smarts 👍🏼
But it is hard to find, I started my own line 20 yrs ago because of wasted time and money going up and down the road looking for it. I know them so well now it is easy for me to pick a solid couple pups out of a litter.

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Once you have had a line of smart hounds you can never go back the other way and be happy. Everything is easier and more enjoyable with a hound that wants to please.
Most of my time on a litter of pups is finding out who has the smarts. Our Hardwood Saul thinks he is one of the boys, does everything we do and is a top notch cooner in anybody’s book.
As Kler kry said cowdog smarts 👍🏼
But it is hard to find, I started my own line 20 yrs ago because of wasted time and money going up and down the road looking for it. I know them so well now it is easy for me to pick a solid couple pups out of a litter.

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