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First I'd like to say what an outstanding job UKC did organizing and putting this on. It was an awesome venue and very professional!! Super glad I got to experience and be a part of it even though if was short lived. Looking forward to next year's already.

My cast last night was super interesting and I'd like opinions on that happens in the situation that happens in my cast.

3 dogs piled on a possum 2 minutes into the cast and were all 3 scratched. The 4fh dog got to hunt entire hunt alone and ended up misusing out getting scratched. Did tree 1 coon but had 2 blanks.

Who should be awarded the next round win when all 4 dogs were scratched? My only thought was it would have to go to the dog with the least minus since they were scratched. Under the tournament of champions rules it states in the event of a dead cast whatever dog made a scorable tree would get the money as the winner.

But my cast wasn't a dead cast all dogs were scratched. Please help me understand this

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Must have plus points to advance?

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Must have plus points to advance?

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I don’t know what that answer is. I just know plus points to advance. Maybe it is considered dead because the dog minused out?

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Correct but someone still gets the next round money without plus points Cady winner they just can't compete in the next round.

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Sounds like a tough break..Winner would have advanced as soon as other three were scratched on off game when in the other kennel club..Ukc Has their set of rules for this hunt because its a UKC hunt as they should..This being a elimination style event they may tweek it for next year..Great coverage thus far and should be a great night tonight also..Kudos to all 64 that made it this far and the finalist hunting tonight..50 grand may not be a life changer for some but it sure helps in the pursuit of our hobby

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I don't know how UKC will rule, but I bet there will be more specific wording in the rules next year for the TOC in case an entire cast gets scratched. Probably something they didn't even think about happening this far into the event, but we all know the one thing you can predict in coonhunting is the unpredictability.

I have no say in the matter of course but in my opinion this is what should be done. Either, 1. All dogs on the cast get $1,000 like they got beat in this round or, 2. Take the $3,500 CW + $1,000 per cast loser ($3,000) and split between the four dogs.

The biggest con I see from option #2 is that each dog would receive more of a payout if they were on an entirely scratched cast instead of simply getting beat. I don't think that's necessarily fair, and I would probably push for option #1, but they ain't gonna ask me my opinion!

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It's a tough situation for sure and one ya hope not to encounter. But it happened unfortunately..

My thoughts are this. No matter if a dog is scratched 30 seconds in or with a minute left it can't be considered for placement. However if all dogs are scratched you have to go with UKC stance on tie breakers for the last many years and that's the dog with the least amount of minus.

The only flaw I see is if the entire cast was scratched for fighting. Then you'd have to probably have to revert to the highest combined scores from the previous round.

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The last dog scratched would be the winner, or I guess that would make the most sense to me..

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In almost all sporting events, the last dog out is the winner. When the 3 dogs were scratched, the 4th dog would be the cast winner. In this case I am sure that UKC will go over their rules for this event and come up with an intelligent decision as to who wins the money. Of course if the rules for this event say that you must have a total of plus points to advance then no dog will advance. But if the rules say that you must have plus points to advance, then the 4th dog could advance since it had plus points. Also do the rules say that a dog has to hunt the whole 2 hrs to be declared a winner? You would have to go over all of the rules for this event since they are different. I am sure that Mr Gingerich will do that.

On a side note, an awful lot of possums were treed last night.

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Last dog standing is the winner. The 3 that got scratched first are out, 4th dog wins.
Why would you split the money amongst all 4?

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Last dog standing is the winner. The 3 that got scratched first are out, 4th dog wins.
Why would you split the money amongst all 4?

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Last dog standing is the winner. The 3 that got scratched first are out, 4th dog wins.
Why would you split the money amongst all 4?

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you stated that the rules say dog with scorable tree would get money.

your cast was a dead cast. a dead cast is where there is no plus points winner.

it's simple. quit trying to twist it.

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The last dog standing, even though he minused out, he did treed a coon and a circle tree, those would count as the only legit trees made.

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Being scratched means just that. Being disqualified, doesn't matter if it happened 1 minute in or in the last minute.

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I agree with Dave and Richard when the other 3 scratched out he wins but because of minus he can't go to the next round.

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So what if the 3 dog scratched right off and the 4th got scratched later in the cast for off game? By your logic because he lasted longer he's the winner? Lol

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Trevor, I think you are to close to the forest to see the trees.lol. Do not complicate the situation, it was as stated the last man standing equals the winner of the cast. Surely you do not believe that the 3 dogs that treed a possum deserve to split the pot. At least the 4th dog treed a coon something the other 3 dogs did not do. Dave

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I didn’t even qualify one so you all did more then what I did. It will be interesting to see how it’s handled. I figured right off that none of them would get paid because none of them “won” the cast. During the year as everyone was winning the 5 casts they needed to qualify and this same scenario played out , no dogs would have got a cast win. Now this being a different format and such I can see why they may choose to pay the last dog standing.

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My opinion is that if one dog in the cast has to get paid more than the others even though it is a dead cast you have two options:

1. Last dog standing
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2. Revert to previous scores like UKC does for placement in their World Hunt.

What would have happened if a whole cast was scratched at the same time like all on off game or a multiple dog dog fight? In that case I’d say option 2 which if implemented would cover both the scenario in this cast or what I just asked.

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Break dog from treeing possum

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According to Jeremy kidds post a dog with a tree that can be scored is the winner but like mr Phipps pointed out maybe all 4 dogs get 1000.00 instead of cast win money

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