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I try and overthink everything. But we all have faults. LOL Way to many coonhound puppies are, lack of a better word. Just plain nuts in the pen. Has anyone every really tried to analyze this and see what the reason behind this is?

We talk about the old time dogs not doing this. What got me to thinking about this is an ad I saw for a dog that has nothing but old time dogs in it's pedigree. That tells me it is not all genetics but a behavior learned due to some particular reason.

Are we not actually paying enough attention to our dogs today. We get them, put them in a pen and don't give them the attention they need. Is it that they are being bred to go harder and further and the pen fustrates them.

Is it we just don't break them as hard as we use to from excessive barking.

I have a buddy that has a bunch of deer hounds. I asked him if they barked much. His response was. Since I got rid of my coonhounds. My dogs don't bark. Unless I go out to feed them.

Any deep thoughts on why these coonhounds bark more in the pen. Or are you of the position they don't do much barking. I think the root cause may be like all coonhound training. They will do what you let them do. Either that or there is something in the water. LOL

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I have been watching this as well for the last 8+ years and have Noticed its becoming more frequent in Pups and from different Bloodlines and even different Breeds.
I do not believe its from lack of attention or us tolerating/allowing them to bark.
I believe it to be caused by a Deficiency........a Deficiency or lack of whats between the ears.......😉😁
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Some of it is correction, but I have been saying for years that doubling and quadrupling extreme tree blood makes them very emotional and vocal.
Having had the same line for 20 years and raising quite a few pups I can see it, especially in other lines of hounds brought here.

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I keep my hounds on a chain and dog box,no kennels. They can lay in the box or come out and trot around. I only keep 1 or 2 dogs at a time. And I hunt 4 or 5 nights a week year around. I've had Mojo ,Coma, Clover bred hounds and they all lay around and don't make a sound when there tired. Dogs don't get hunted enough and guys keep to many. Dogs have changed in the last 35 yrs I've been hunting, they start easier, less trashy, tree sooner. As far as accuracy, I've had no problem keeping a high percentage of coons in the trees. They just don't need alot of petting while treeing.

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I believe a lot of it is genetics. That being said like the fellow above mentioned, keeping the edge off those higher strung hounds makes a difference. Dogs run regularly don’t seem to have a bunch of pent up energy they don’t know what to do with.

Another thing is, what can they see from where they’re kenneled/tied out? Some dogs (the dumber ones) have to bark at everything that wiggles or makes a sound.

(4) of my (6) beagles rarely make a sound in the kennels. When they bark something or someone strange is around.

The other (2) frequently have bark collars around their necks! When I’m home they’re quiet. If I’m not and no bark collars on them my wife is not happy! 😯

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in breeding or so called line breeding. Which is one and same.

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like others have said, a tired dog is a happy/quiet dog.

but it's definitely in some lines more than others.

and there is more to being crazy than barking. You also have pacing, digging, chewing, and the one that bothers me most is one that fingerpaints. I can fix barking with a collar, spray from hose, etc.

Some are just plain stupid and you can't fix that. Unfortunately, it's in a couple lines from studs that were bred a ton.

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I'll buy into the tired dog happy quiet dog but every once in awhile you get one that is just plain mental. A few years ago bought a young pup. Made a mess in the kennel and would not be quiet no matter what.

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Another thought........ how many people are actually looking at the whole package when choosing to breed 2 hounds? My guess is very few!

There is a whole lot more to be considered when crossing two dogs then just how they perform in the field as a hunting and/or competition dog.

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DL NH there is a saying that you get what you breed. To many rattled headed, under par females are being bred. Convience is not the key to success.

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Some are born lunatics, but I noticed a huge difference in pen manners for dogs I wasn't hunting much when I switched to a lower octane feed.

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Bruce about 10 years ago I started looking for a finished hound. Been out of coon hunting for about ten years. Went some during that time but did not own a dog. I tried probably 20 plus dogs from 2k to 10k. Not one treed a coon during these trials. All were at the sellers home turf. The first few times I was so mad going home I couldn't even talk. By about the tenth dog I realized most has never been in the woods with a real hound. Most has never seen a real dog man handle a hound. They weren't lying, they just didn't know any better.
When I was young kid a local guy stopped and ask my father to hunt our farm. My dad said yes and I asked to tag along. Still to this day one of the best hounds and dog man I ever been to the woods with. I guess I would call it luck that was my first experience but I never forgot what a real hound looked and sounded, and operated like and I knew I wanted one.
Over the years people were bragging about their hounds and finally I would go hunt with them to see what they had. Not many were worth feeding, but the owners were proud as they could be of them.
I say all this to make a point. Crosses rarely work, even when you breed a sure enough coon dog to coon dog, but when you start with a retarded one, your doom from the start. Poor mouths, poor build, equals poor pups. Bark all day, run all over the woods at nite barking. The best reproducing stud in America can rarely overcome bad traits. I.E. Brood bitches. If the female won't tree a coon on her own, why oh why would you breed her???? I don't care how she's bred.

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DL NH there is a saying that you get what you breed. To many rattled headed, under par females are being bred. Convince is not the key to success.

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So here’s another thing to consider..........everyone wants a sure enough coon dog that will tree coon they can actually see night after night.

So they go hunt with the dog 2 or 3 times and maybe it does a good job. The deal gets made and the dog has a new owner. Everybody’s happy until they get the dog home and discover several issues they hadn’t counted on such as: the dog barks at everything it sees around when in the kennel; has terrible kennel manners; face barks other dogs it’s kenneled with and on and on.

There’s a whole heck of a lot more that goes into having an enjoyable hunting dog than just having one that runs and trees coon.

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Upon my observation the studs that have contributed were know where close to inbred, or line bred😉
And the 2 of them are no where close to the same😊

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Coonhunter’s are the worlds worst at chasing rabbits in there breeding programs, if you have bred very long you know these guys put little thought into there breeding programs other than what the dog has won.
All these other traits are very important also!

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Upon my observation the studs that have contributed were know where close to inbred, or line bred😉
And the 2 of them are no where close to the same😊

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I'LL stick with the old timers, Meeks,House, etc...etc...
Been reading Genetics for 40yrs, very happy where im at.

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I don't keep many dogs at one time. I like to know that whatever I have gets hunted hard. By that I mean 4 or 5 sometimes 6 nights a week year round. Theybdo more sleeping during the day then. I won't keep an idiot in the kennel.

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