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DL NH
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I remember a day............

.........when it was considered taboo, by enlarge, for a true hound man/woman to feed a silent track dog!

Shame on the kennel clubs for not doing more to stifle the proliferation of silent trailing hounds!!

Really good track dogs never existed in proliferation but me thinks there are significantly fewer out there now!

Why do so few seem to enjoy listening to a good race BEFORE the tree bark begins? And I’m not referring to listening to a babbling track straddler that can’t move a track either!

Pretty sure I know the answer but just had to ask!

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I can’t answer that, I like an open trailing dog with a loud screaming mouth.

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I only like a dog that opens according to track and only if it’s moving forward. All that other yabbering around ain’t for me.


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I only like a dog that opens according to track and only if it’s moving forward. All that other yabbering around ain’t for me.


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👍👍 Why would anyone who enjoys an open trailing hound want anything less? A hound that gives mouth according to the track while making forward progress with the intent to bring it’s game to bay or put it in a tree. I kind of thought that was the name of the game......... and then money and greed got involved.

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Would rather have one that was stone silent than one of those loose lipped rattled headed barking idiots. If I’ve got to choose an extreme, I pick silent over mouthy ALL day long and then some. I can’t stand a babbler. At least a silent dog isnt stealing a high strike. And I would tuck tail and hide under a rock before I complained of a silent dog beating me in a hunt. Knowing it’s gonna take a last strike every time and I’m going to get a higher strike. Need to check my dog power on the end of my leash if that happens too much. I think the KCs should crack down on the babblers first, then the silent dogs. I mean a sin is a sin some say. But you ask someone if they would rather draw a silent dog, or a babbler? I think most everyone picks silent.

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The Problem Is

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Would rather have one that was stone silent than one of those loose lipped rattled headed barking idiots. If I’ve got to choose an extreme, I pick silent over mouthy ALL day long and then some. I can’t stand a babbler. At least a silent dog isnt stealing a high strike. And I would tuck tail and hide under a rock before I complained of a silent dog beating me in a hunt. Knowing it’s gonna take a last strike every time and I’m going to get a higher strike. Need to check my dog power on the end of my leash if that happens too much. I think the KCs should crack down on the babblers first, then the silent dogs. I mean a sin is a sin some say. But you ask someone if they would rather draw a silent dog, or a babbler? I think most everyone picks silent.


When silent trailing is acceptable, open trailing hounds are then considered as babblers in comparison to the silent dog.

I've seen honest strike dogs that would bark excessively on track, others that would bark sparingly on track. Mouthy does not equal babbling.

Babbling, to me, is when dogs open up without actually having a track!!!

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I go to hear them tree. Makes me smile and puts pep in my step

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So does the person that knowingly has a silent track dog and puts it in the competition hunts still go ahead and collect all the dogs available strike points even though they know the dog is dead silent?? We all know the answer to that!

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I go to hear them tree. Makes me smile and puts pep in my step


Me too, but I like to hear the whole story told by the hound. According to the conditions it is experiencing. A silent track dog is only telling you 1/2 of the story. Sort of like going to the movies and seeing the last 15 mins. of the show. A dead silent coon hound on track is an incomplete coon hound in my book.

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I guess we will agree to disagree, my friend

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I agree

I agree with Al and Ringo a still mouth dog is a pleasure to hunt compared to what passes for open trailing in the hunts. My opinion for what its worth.

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Silient or Open

I enjoy both, but more important is that a man should hunt what he likes and not worry about what the other man hunts. I have owned both types and enjoy each type in their own way. ACCURACY is the most important thing to me, I expect to see eyes in every tree. We all see things differently, thankfully, there are options for each of us in what type of dog we hunt. Dave

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When I’m saying babbler, I’m not talking about an open trailing hound. I’m talking about the ones that start barking as soon as they are cut and never shut up. I don’t care what their name is or how much they’ve won. I’d shoot them before I feed them if they do that.

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i want a dog to not say nothing until its treed and when its treed just bark enough for me to find him youll see a lot of coons with a dog like that. the only reason i hunt is to see eyes in them trees, a dog that makes a lot of dens are slick trees aint a coon dog in my opinion.

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i want a dog to not say nothing until its treed and when its treed just bark enough for me to find him youll see a lot of coons with a dog like that. the only reason i hunt is to see eyes in them trees, a dog that makes a lot of dens are slick trees aint a coon dog in my opinion.


Guess it’s all in what you want. Heck I don’t need a hound to silent trail a coon and put it up a tree. Knew a guy back in the 80’s when coon hides were 40 -50 bucks for a good prime hide that sold 80–100 coon hides a year using a border collie. Know another who did the same with a dog half Lab Retriever and half Weimaraner bird dog. Again dead silent.

Killing coon ain’t the name of the game for many of us. I want the whole story told by a coon hound. Listening to quality hound work is. First chapter begins with it telling me it’s found it and letting the whole world know. The hound keeps me posted on the progress and then proudly tells the whole world to come take a look at what it’s got in a tree.

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Dan

Love your post, I can tell you have that real love of coon hunting . I grew up coon hunting with dogs just like you described and I will always treasure that type of dog and that type of coon hunting. I absolutely agree that killing coons is not what coon hunting is all about. I still enjoy hunting a silient dog at times, not to kill coons, but to tree and look at coons. I love to hear an accurate dog tree. Now my favorite style is still a cold nosed dog that can work up a cold track, run and tree the coon type dog. All I am saying is that there is room for both types open and silient for those that like one or the other or both, as I do. Dave

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the ukc should let the curs and feist hunt with coon hounds

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