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If like majic coon hides were worth $40 again ? How big would the bone pile be in 3 yrs ?


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Coon hides go to $40, and I'll bust out the spotlight and traps. I'd still keep a dog around, but I'd get serious about killing coon and hunt the dog alot less!

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How high is the bone pile momma ?

10ft high and risen !


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Tar,
I was there in the "so called" glory days in the mid/late 70's and early 80's, as many on here were. It was interesting, to say the least. I lived in Northern IN at the time and the coon population was definitely effected. People would just go along the roads and the edge of picked corn fields with a big spot light and shoot every eyeball they saw in a tree. One thing it did, IMO, was separate the coon hunters from the hide hunters, BIG difference. I was just a poor Airman in the US Air Force at the time and definitely did benefit from selling hides but I always hunted with a good hound and even let many set up that the dog wouldn't tree. The money hunts weren't big back then and even if they were I doubt many would hunt them because of the money being made in hides. Remember, most were getting $35 for a big coon then so $40 is not a realistic number in todays world. It would be more like $60 to $70 IMO. If we would ever see these types of numbers it would give a new meaning to the words "Thin Coon". One thing would definitely change, the type of coon dog that we hunt. These blow through the country, dead loners wouldn't have much use if you were hunting for hides. It wouldn't matter if they barked 120 bpm or had a huge mouth. All the bells and whistles and options would suddenly disappear and the good ole grind em out, tough as nails, find every coon within distance would be the flavor of the day, IMO. In one respect, I believe it may help some of the younger coon hunters to get back to the roots of coon hunting. Something other than dog against dog. It would be just a dog, his owner and the element of treeing a coon. Ya tend to pay more attention to the elements and surroundings associated with coon hunting, IMO. Heck, I'll bet most young hunters don't even know the proper way to skin, flesh and stretch a coon to get top dollar out of it, LOL! At any rate, the "BONE PILE" would be enormous.

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My bone pile wouldn't change. I clean every coon that catch now, save the meat and throw away the hide. I was hunting in the "Glory Days" and still only took one coon out of a tree and none that my dogs didn't tree. I had a pay check then and have a retirement check now.

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What ya doing with your Coon meat??

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What ya doing with your Coon meat??

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We eat it, I give some of it to a friend that gives us vegetables and some of it I sell. ( not supposed to sell it but I figure that I'm charging them for cleaning the coon

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Tar,
I was there in the "so called" glory days in the mid/late 70's and early 80's, as many on here were. It was interesting, to say the least. I lived in Northern IN at the time and the coon population was definitely effected. People would just go along the roads and the edge of picked corn fields with a big spot light and shoot every eyeball they saw in a tree. One thing it did, IMO, was separate the coon hunters from the hide hunters, BIG difference. I was just a poor Airman in the US Air Force at the time and definitely did benefit from selling hides but I always hunted with a good hound and even let many set up that the dog wouldn't tree. The money hunts weren't big back then and even if they were I doubt many would hunt them because of the money being made in hides. Remember, most were getting $35 for a big coon then so $40 is not a realistic number in todays world. It would be more like $60 to $70 IMO. If we would ever see these types of numbers it would give a new meaning to the words "Thin Coon". One thing would definitely change, the type of coon dog that we hunt. These blow through the country, dead loners wouldn't have much use if you were hunting for hides. It wouldn't matter if they barked 120 bpm or had a huge mouth. All the bells and whistles and options would suddenly disappear and the good ole grind em out, tough as nails, find every coon within distance would be the flavor of the day, IMO. In one respect, I believe it may help some of the younger coon hunters to get back to the roots of coon hunting. Something other than dog against dog. It would be just a dog, his owner and the element of treeing a coon. Ya tend to pay more attention to the elements and surroundings associated with coon hunting, IMO. Heck, I'll bet most young hunters don't even know the proper way to skin, flesh and stretch a coon to get top dollar out of it, LOL! At any rate, the "BONE PILE" would be enormous.

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Sounds like the perfect coon dog your talking about...I suspect this dog can tree plenty of coon in one night if the coons are thick...so why aren’t the hunts set up to promote this type of dog?🤔

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If like majic coon hides were worth $40 again ? How big would the bone pile be in 3 yrs ?


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I know it would weed out a lot of faults quick lol.


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The more time you spend in the past the less time you have in the present. Life is what it is, WE don't have time to waste on what it's and what was. Go fishing and enjoy the moment, we have had our time in the sun. The old ways suited you and I just fine, but those days are gone. I have seen a ton of hunting ground go under the chainsaws, but I still manage to find places to hunt. Dance with the partner you have or don't dance at all. Nothing wrong with memories, but they are just that memories. Make some new memories and forget about the past it's gone. Dave

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Maybe but it's my dream and I can have it if I want too so there lol.



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If you own a slick treeing dog its because your willing to put up with it. If the hides a $0 or $100 shouldn't make a difference. I do wish they were higher though. It would keep a lot of guys in the sport.

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The hunts are set up to reward the dog that trees the most coon the quickest. Seems to me that would be the same thing a pleasure hunter, hide hunter and competition hunter would want, unless their idea of hide hunting is to walk along beside a track wallowring dog that makes lots of noise and shoot all the coon he scares up before actually making a tree.

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The hunts are set up to tree the most trees the quickest. It's up to us to find the coon, if possible. Most all major hunts are held with the leaves on with the exception of a few. We all know there's a big difference between scores at Autumn Oaks and the Winter Classic. Could be the difference in terrain/coon population or not? If you really want a hide dog you would probably want a silent dog that wouldn't out hunt it's mouth and it probably wouldn't matter whether or not it was registered or what breed. We all know that doesn't fit the modern day competition hound. Can the modern day comp hound tree a pile of coon, absolutely! Just depends on the type of hound you follow. There will always be difference of opinions, that's what makes America great. I'll just leave with this statement. I used to hunt with a well know competition hunter when I lived in IN. He finished high in the world hunt more than once. He did not hunt the same dog that he hunted in the hunts as he hunted in kill season and that is a fact. I just hope the hides never get as high as they were back in the day again although I did enjoy those days and enjoyed messing with the hides. As always, this is just my opinion and we are all entitled to that, or maybe not, LOL.

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Here's the difference this ain't hearsay this old fat kid has patted a lot of competition dogs on the head over the years many had many full page adds on them and sold for large amounts of money. Back then it took several coons to win a large hunt. Now one coon or no coons win large hunts and lots of $$$.

With faults that would have got you sent to the truck early back in the day.

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Maybe cuz i was younger i dont know, but back in the day when prices were higher and everyone was after em i did better then than I do now...go figure

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You are right, times have changed though and it's beating a dead horse to say the least. WE know the difference between THEN and NOW, many others don't know the difference and that's okay. It's kind of like the old adage we walked a mile to school uphill both ways, these younger guys don't really care. If they are happy with things the way it is today, then so be it. You and a lot of us would NOT be content with the dogs winning today's hunts, BUT that's just us. all that matters is just be true to yourself, hunt what you like. Lol. Dave

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you old men should quit your BS and hunt more.. Bafoons

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There is a hidden message here that many danced around but missed the message. You asked about “what if” we were keeping score with the gun. Or as it was said. Harvesting coon for money. It was also said that dogs had to produce coon or visit the bone yard. I cant disagree with none of that. The problem is not the dogs in the hunts. Its the hunts we put our dogs in. Our dogs are a product of hunt rules and the faults the dog can have and still get its owner recgonition for owning a coon hound. Too many markets for sorry hounds. Sorry females getting bred. Two year old hounds that have fustrated two or three owners but they need to sell that dog one more time to recoup their money.
You guys hit on some good points.

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There is a hidden message here that many danced around but missed the message. You asked about “what if” we were keeping score with the gun. Or as it was said. Harvesting coon for money. It was also said that dogs had to produce coon or visit the bone yard. I cant disagree with none of that. The problem is not the dogs in the hunts. Its the hunts we put our dogs in. Our dogs are a product of hunt rules and the faults the dog can have and still get its owner recgonition for owning a coon hound. Too many markets for sorry hounds. Sorry females getting bred. Two year old hounds that have fustrated two or three owners but they need to sell that dog one more time to recoup their money.
You guys hit on some good points.

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Remember your statement "what we accept we cannot change", it's very appropriate. We each have to accept or change depending on our own values or demands, there is no one size fits all and never was. I am still hunting the type of dog I have always liked, if I could not find this type I would just quit. We can get what suits us if we look hard enough. Hypothetical questions may get a lot of answers, but they are just that, ones reaction to a supposed situation, reality usually dictates somewhat different answers or solutions. While it's fun and somewhat amusing to partake in these message board posts, they do little to better our sport or improve our dogs. We still have breeders that are producing their part it's up to the hunters to do their part . Competition hunting is just a part of our sport, we have many pleasure hunters that still demand accuracy in the dogs they hunt regardless of the price of a coon hide. I still want to see eyes in every tree my dog/s make, has nothing to do with the price of fur. I don't like liars be it man or dog. Nuff said. Dave

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