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This question came up the at the hunt Saturday night. It did not affect the outcome of the hunt. 3 dog cast, all dogs leave together and leave the country. Cast decided to drive around to find dogs, time was not called. All agreed to split tree points if dogs were found treeing. When cast got out dogs were treed in the distance. When got close to the tree they realized one dog was treed separate past the other 2 dogs. That was given 125 the 2 on the same tree 100 each. Now the question, what about strike, one said you didn't score strike points because no one heard the dogs strike, others said you have to strike a dog before you can tree it, others thought you split the strike points and deleted them. What's the answer for scoring strike points in this situation?

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Assuming the dogs weren't struck prior to driving around. If you split the tree why wouldn't you split the strike? If all dogs are treed when you got out why should one dog gain an advantage over another when you couldn't accurately judge the dogs? Now before you couldn't drive around or whatever but I think that was changed in one of the 100 separate Advisor rules that you couldn't find if you needed it. Think about this? the dogs are declared treed so strike "shouldn't" matter. But what happens if one dog leaves the tree before you get there? What is it struck for? What is available? You have to have something down for it.

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I think when dogs leave to the point where they can no longer be judged, your suppose to call time and you have 1 hour to round up dogs.

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Dogs have to be declared struck to be declared treed ! So you declare strike points split before you declare tree split !


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I think when dogs leave to the point where they can no longer be judged, your suppose to call time and you have 1 hour to round up dogs.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Dogs have to be declared struck to be declared treed ! So you declare strike points split before you declare tree split !


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All I’m saying tar is how can a tree call be accepted with out a strike call. You can just say I’m sure their struck let’s split??

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The way y'all did this shouldn't be done this is one of those cases that not following rules leads to more problems and questions than answers. You can drive to gather up dogs that have the hour on them when on time out. You can drive to score trees if all dogs are treed in (again would be a time out situation when more than 10 min is used getting there, time back in during shine time and time back out after 10 min is used between split trees, and don't plan on anything taking a minus for moving once you get in that truck), driving more than 2x to go score dogs is considered hunting from the truck which is prohibited. It is only supposed to be done in more extreme situations not just as a matter of convenience. Allen / Todd correct me if I'm wrong.
What should have been you should have walked in the direction you thought the dogs may be so that you would be in hearing to strike and tree your dogs or called time out for whatever reason best fit something in rule 7. After that you could have got in the truck drove around gathered your dogs. No dogs would have received any points because none were struck in (those would have been deleted if they had been and not treed yet,) and no trees to score because nothing had been treed previous to time being called. If one or more had been treed in then those dogs would have been scored, time does still come off the clock like always in walking and scoring.
The whole thing you did should not have been scored at all.

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Ok Jen you win I am wrong lol.


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All I’m saying tar is how can a tree call be accepted with out a strike call. You can just say I’m sure their struck let’s split??

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I don't know if they called time out before they went to find dogs. The dogs left and none were struck, you know I guess those alone and deep except they went together. I was not on the cast, but it was something that none of the cast members had ever had happen before. Wanting to know how to handle strike if dogs leave and are found treed. Do you split strike points or not put points on card or strike and delete? They had no trouble on the cast between the hunters they just weren't sure how to score. This had no bearing on who won the cast.

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you all messed up .....IMO

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you all messed up .....IMO

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The whole driving thing has got me messed up because we don't drive to dogs on hunts down here.



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he said they were out of hearing before struck? You just going to roll dice and split?

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So are we Coonhunting or playing Yahtzee ? You know Mckinney we don’t drive up here . Remember the long walk you had here last time ! 😂

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Timeout should have been called. You can't drive to dogs you can't hear and expect to score them when you arrive... At least that's how $kc's rules read. Don't know of ukc allowing that.. sounds like a good way to get written up...

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This question came up the at the hunt Saturday night. It did not affect the outcome of the hunt. 3 dog cast, all dogs leave together and leave the country. Cast decided to drive around to find dogs, time was not called. All agreed to split tree points if dogs were found treeing. When cast got out dogs were treed in the distance. When got close to the tree they realized one dog was treed separate past the other 2 dogs. That was given 125 the 2 on the same tree 100 each. Now the question, what about strike, one said you didn't score strike points because no one heard the dogs strike, others said you have to strike a dog before you can tree it, others thought you split the strike points and deleted them. What's the answer for scoring strike points in this situation?

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(per described) Call timeout, round up the dogs, and take another whack at it.

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You guys need to come to WNC & enter a couple hunts
If we called time out every time the dogs went over a ridge probably never get the card back in time
1hr hunt 1st of a doubleheader
#1 Only 14 minutes left in hunt
#2 Dogs were only 600 yds but across a very high ridge in next holler
#3 Dogs were heard but not sure if cast or house dogs
#4 Strike agreed to be split only dogs opening IF they could get closer
#5 Guide drove but all rode with him
#6 Only 4 minutes hunt time left when dogs heard treed
#7 The ? was how to score the strike points, had nothing to do with time out

OK, since you guys know all the answers, if same thing had happened, only the cast walked up the ridge & found the dogs treed, with no dogs called struck & cast agreed to split all points, how do you score the strike points?
Or how many strike points you get if your playing yatzee?

Oh yea, dogs were split 2 dogs had a coon 1 dog came off his split tree as
hunt time went out & was caught at truck

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Top the ridge. Call your dog as you hear it. Strike & tree. This is where the judge has to be on his toes. You CAN NOT do what was done on this cast.
Otherwise as Allen previously stated. Call TIMEOUT, round them up. Try again....

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Seems pretty simple. If you are going to split the tree points, then you have to split the strike points. Pretty much a no brainer. I don't really understand why there is a question or any confusion. If you had walked to the top and heard the dogs, you would have split strike and tree. You drove around, got out and heard the dogs. What is the difference?

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Richard Red Dog Lambert posted
Seems pretty simple. If you are going to split the tree points, then you have to split the strike points. Pretty much a no brainer. I don't really understand why there is a question or any confusion. If you had walked to the top and heard the dogs, you would have split strike and tree. You drove around, got out and heard the dogs. What is the difference?

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There was no confusion, Richard the confusion was made on this message board

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Seems pretty simple. If you are going to split the tree points, then you have to split the strike points. Pretty much a no brainer. I don't really understand why there is a question or any confusion. If you had walked to the top and heard the dogs, you would have split strike and tree. You drove around, got out and heard the dogs. What is the difference?

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Top the ridge. Call your dog as you hear it. Strike & tree. This is where the judge has to be on his toes. You CAN NOT do what was done on this cast.
Otherwise as Allen previously stated. Call TIMEOUT, round them up. Try again....

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Would you call time out, walk to the top, call time in and split strike and tree?
Why call time out? You know where the dogs are. You know that they are treed.
What rule/excuse would be used to call time out?

The only problem is how to get to them. Allen/UKC has said that if all dogs are treed that you can drive around to get to them. The cast agreed to split the tree points, so effectively they "treed" their dogs. So, they could drive around to get to them. The original question was, what do you do with the strike points? It wasn't, could we drive to them? Or could we call time out?

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