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Philip
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Possible hunt scenario

3 dog cast, strike abc. A and B are treed, C slides out a little to the right and is treed. Trees closed, all dogs treed. It gets quiet at a and B tree, they pulled to the c tree. Minus on tree. So with the newer rule, a tree call would be accepted? They both go in for 125 if they wanted?

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TylerOSU
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Newer Rule?

The way you would score IF dog C's tree was dead and you could 100% tell he was split and they covered the handlers shouldn't tree. If they do they are saying they believe their dogs are split from already dead C's tree. If you arrive and dog C's tree has a coon they are minused next available if not treed in. If they were retreed in they receive minus on whatever they treed for.

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After 5 minutes not before at C's tree....a&b took a tree minus ....so all dogs aren't treed no more .
To wait until C's tree is closed and call a or b treed is just plain dumb.

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TylerOSU
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Bingo!

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
After 5 minutes not before at C's tree....a&b took a tree minus ....so all dogs aren't treed no more .
To wait until C's tree is closed and call a or b treed is just plain dumb.

Handlers that would retree are setting themselves up for nothing but a bigger hicky!

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Philip
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I didn't say it wasn't dumb to tree on c. But I would have to accept it. Lol
Ab treed, soon as c is treed, both trees closed, I believe

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Rip
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Re: Newer Rule?

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Originally posted by TylerOSU
The way you would score IF dog C's tree was dead and you could 100% tell he was split and they covered the handlers shouldn't tree. If they do they are saying they believe their dogs are split from already dead C's tree. If you arrive and dog C's tree has a coon they are minused next available if not treed in. If they were retreed in they receive minus on whatever they treed for.

You are correct that they would be minused for whatever they treed for if they were treed on a closed tree.

They would not be minused next available if they were not treed in and were there on a coon. They would only get minused track and nothing on tree per the rules.

In UKC rules the only time you can assign next available is if a dog is at the tree, treeing when the judge arrives on OFF GAME OR SLICK TREE. Nothing else.

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joey
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They would both be treed in for 125 on dog c's tree and both minus their tree points. Dog C tree was dead when all dogs were treed in. Their strike will depend on if C has a coon.

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JiM
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Re: Newer Rule?

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Originally posted by TylerOSU
The way you would score IF dog C's tree was dead and you could 100% tell he was split and they covered the handlers shouldn't tree. If they do they are saying they believe their dogs are split from already dead C's tree. If you arrive and dog C's tree has a coon they are minused next available if not treed in. If they were retreed in they receive minus on whatever they treed for.

Better try again.

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TylerOSU
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I was wrong!

That's my bad! I was wrong they don't get minused tree only strike if off game is seen. Honestly seems to me like a dumb rule but that's how it is. If a dog isn't there in 5 minutes they dang sure don't need to be there after that!

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Re: I was wrong!

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Originally posted by TylerOSU
That's my bad! I was wrong they don't get minused tree only strike if off game is seen. Honestly seems to me like a dumb rule but that's how it is. If a dog isn't there in 5 minutes they dang sure don't need to be there after that!

If off game is seen and they are not treed in they do get next available, They do not get it if its a coon.

In the case that was presented, A and B would get minus their tree for leaving and then minus 125 each for treeing in on a dead tree. If the coon is seen they also get their strike minus. If off game or slick they get next available and their strike minus. If it was off game dog A would draw -125 for first tree he left, -125 for treeing on a dead tree, split 2nd and third tree for -62.5 and his 100 strike. Its possible he could draw 412- on that one lick.

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