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HOBO
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Line Breeding?

Ok experts.. How's this for line breeding?

•Inbreeding: 0.25 (25%)
•AVK (ancestor loss coefficient): 73.333333333333%

The computation has been done for 4 generations

BENSON 0.125 (12.5%)
LOBO 0.03125 (3.125%)
SASSY 0.03125 (3.125%)
BOONE 0.046875 (4.6875%)
DOLLY 0.015625 (1.5625%)

Percent of blood by ancestor
BENSON 62.5
BEE 50
LOBO 37.5
SASSY 37.5
PRIDE 25
MARY 25
BOONE 31.25
MISTY 12.5
JET 12.5
GINGER 12.5
DOLLY 18.75
RUBY 12.5
MIKE 6.25
SUPERSTAR 6.25
LIPPER 6.25
MISTI 6.25
DANCER 6.25
ECHO 6.25
SACKETT 6.25
GINNIE 6.25
CHOP 6.25
QUEEN 6.25

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JiM
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You put this on a coonhunters forum ?????

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HOBO
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rofl

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02-26-2018 01:20 AM

yadkintar
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You gonna have to dumb that down for me lol !! What the crap you trying to say lmbo. !

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Roy Grant
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I agree, would you be put in prison for sending me so of that stuff your taking. lol

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yadkinriver
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Crap I'm gonna hafta go back to school.

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edwardfasteddy
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If your Dad has a baby with your daughter that is not line breeding, that's INCEST!

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02-26-2018 02:30 AM

HOBO
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quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
You gonna have to dumb that down for me lol !! What the crap you trying to say lmbo. !

Tar

We bred HoneyBee to her grandsire Benson.. That's about as far as I can dummy it down....

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DMG_3
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quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
We bred HoneyBee to her grandsire Benson.. That's about as far as I can dummy it down....

Shoulda said that in the 1st post lol.
I was bout to get my calculator out.

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yadkintar
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Tried that once grandfather to granddaughter 5 pups only one turned out and he is above average.

And I didn't get him I always pick the dud lol.

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02-26-2018 12:12 PM

edwardfasteddy
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Like I said when you line breed or inbreed which is the same thing, you bring out the GOOD and you bring out the BAD. If the pups are as good or better then the sire and dam you have a good line of dogs and worth doing this type of breeding. Here again no matter how good you think your dog is inbreeding will tell the tail to inbreed or out cross. This type of breeding should not be done by most coonhunters.

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Richard Lambert
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As fasterthanuseddy said, all of those numbers don't really mean anything. What you should be looking at is each dogs good and bad traits.

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edwardfasteddy
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Anytime I see where someone said the cross didn't work, to tight, Inbreed, and the pups just didn't have it, I don't pay any attention to it and this is why.. I made a cross one time that was unbelievable, It was a good cross even made a video of them. But I started all 9 of the pups here myself with my methods. Made the cross again and had only 8 pups this time sold them as pups to 8 coonhunters. None of the pups made it, they said they couldn't get them started. If your looking for a pup that can just go out and train it self, dogs like that are few and far between. If your looking for a cross that you don't have to train, a little inbreeding, let them run loose on a farm, talk to guys that know it all, you are dreaming. Most dogs are smarter then the owners: LOL

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Larry Atherton
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Hobo,

COI 0.25 looks high to me. I would not have guessed that. What breeding software did you use?

Historically, I have breed dogs tighter than you, and my two highest COIs were 0.20. Both were 1/2 brother and 1/2 sister crosses. Of course I try to target less than 0.20.

If the COI is truly 0.25, I would say it is time to look for an outcross. Malcolm Willis suggest a COI of 0.20 is still relatively safe. Some researchers claim it is best to keep COI about 0.12-0.15.

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HOBO
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Larry I was surprised it was that high myself. I may have entered some of the dogs wrong I'll have to redo it.

Here is the link to the site I used.

http://www.sobczyk.eu/inb/?lng=en

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HOBO
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Larry, I think my numbers are off just a little bit as I didn't make a difference in Swampmusic Boone and Dohoney's Boone, Plus Skeans dolly and my Dolly.

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HOBO
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Larry I did it correct this time. LOL

Coefficient for PUPS
•Inbreeding: 0.1875 (18.75%)
•AVK (ancestor loss coefficient): 80%

The computation has been done for 4 generations

Inbreeding contribution by acenstor
BENSON 0.125 (12.5%)
LOBO 0.03125 (3.125%)
SASSY 0.03125 (3.125%)

...........Nt.Ch.'PR' Dohoney's Mike
........Gr.Nt.Ch.'PR' Dohoney's Boone
..........'PR' Dohoney's Superstar
.....Gr.Ch.Gr.Nt.Ch.'PR' Dohoney's Lobo
...........Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch.'PR' House's Lipper
........'PR' Dohoney's Misty
...........Gr.Nt.Ch.'PR' Bigelow's Misty

Nt.Ch.'PR' Oneil's Lobo Benson

...........Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch.'PR' Minkler's Kansas Dancer
.......Gr.Ch.Gr.Nt.Ch.'PR' Southern Pines Jet
...........Gr.Nt.Ch.'PR' Skeans Dolly
.....Ch.'PR' Swampmusic Little Bit Sassy
...........Gr.Nt.Ch.'PR' Dohoney's Boone
.......Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch.'PR' Cedar Run Jammin Ginger
...........'PR' Sand Hill Jill's Echo

Pups
...........Gr.Ch.Gr.Nt.Ch.'PR' Dohoney's Lobo
........Gr.Ch.'PR' Swampmusic Boone
...........Ch.'PR' Swampmusic Little Bit Sassy
.....Gr.Ch.'PR' Swampmusic Pride
...........'PR' Byer's Clear Creek Sackett
........Ch.'PR' Johnson Potts Creek Dolly
...........'PR' Byers Potts Creek Ginnie

Ch.'PR' Swampmusic Honey Bee

...........Gr.Ch.Gr.Nt.Ch.'PR' Dohoney's Lobo
.......Nt.Ch.'PR' Oneil's Lobo Benson
...........Ch.'PR' Swampmusic Little Bit Sassy
.....Ch.'PR'Swampmusic Miss Mary
...........'PR' Lambert's Pork Chop
.......'PR' Lester's Country Style Ruby
...........'PR' Wilcox's Upper Creek Queen

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Richard Lambert
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Oh my goodness, I have heard people talk about coonhunting on the computer but I didn't know that you could breed coondogs on the computer.

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Larry Atherton
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Hobo,

Now, that looks better!

Richard,

You can do a ton of stuff on the computer. We all know the key board sits perfectly still and allows us to manipulate it at will.. The catch is things done on a computer are much less satisfying than doing it in real life.

In the case above, It allows Hobo a little piece of mind that he isn't breeding his dogs too close.

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HOBO
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, I have heard people talk about coonhunting on the computer but I didn't know that you could breed coondogs on the computer.

They weren't bred on the computer... But he did have to be thawed out before she was bred.

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