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second paragraph on back of score card !

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Todd has addressed this before. Its pretty much a don't ask, don't tell kind of thing. As long as it's legal.

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http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthread.php

2nd page look what Allen has to say.

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http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthread.php

2nd page look what Allen has to say.

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If you have a legal carry permit then you are allowed to carry.

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I don't have. A problem with nor does it say anywhere that a legal licence carry permit holder cannot carry I know folks are gona say this and that but in today's world and hounds that hunt hard and fast and less land to hunt and more drugs I would want someone to be carrYing not to show off but for a just in case situation

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The UKC policy states "Absolutely no alcoholic beverages, FIREARMS or illegal drugs will be allowed on the grounds or while PARTICIPATING in a UKC licensed event". It doesn't matter if you have a conceal carry permit or not, the policy says a firearm is not allowed. That policy would be the same as any business not allowing you into the building with a firearm. Why would a person need to carry a gun on a comp hunt? That's what everybody needs is to have a mad property owner come out and you pull a gun on him on his property.

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The UKC policy states "Absolutely no alcoholic beverages, FIREARMS or illegal drugs will be allowed on the grounds or while PARTICIPATING in a UKC licensed event". It doesn't matter if you have a conceal carry permit or not, the policy says a firearm is not allowed. That policy would be the same as any business not allowing you into the building with a firearm. Why would a person need to carry a gun on a comp hunt? That's what everybody needs is to have a mad property owner come out and you pull a gun on him on his property.

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Originally posted by J I Allen
The UKC policy states "Absolutely no alcoholic beverages, FIREARMS or illegal drugs will be allowed on the grounds or while PARTICIPATING in a UKC licensed event". It doesn't matter if you have a conceal carry permit or not, the policy says a firearm is not allowed. That policy would be the same as any business not allowing you into the building with a firearm. Why would a person need to carry a gun on a comp hunt? That's what everybody needs is to have a mad property owner come out and you pull a gun on him on his property.

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I guess this means you can have a cooler full of beer in your truck since that's a legal product sold in every state as long as you drink it in your truck. What I quoted came straight out of the UKC rule book, so I guess the alcohol and illegal drug policy doesn't mean anything as stated in the rulebook.

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I think the point of "no fire arms allowed" is so hunts don't turn into gun swap meets,it basically cover ukc's hind end for liability cases... Can u imagine what would happen if someone "got a gun " Ata ukc hunt and shot up a "soft target"??

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I guess this means you can have a cooler full of beer in your truck since that's a legal product sold in every state as long as you drink it in your truck. What I quoted came straight out of the UKC rule book, so I guess the alcohol and illegal drug policy doesn't mean anything as stated in the rulebook.

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This shouldn't even be a conversation because any responsible concealed carrier is never gonna be known to others anyway. If you allow your concealed carry weapon to be seen by others, you're probably to irresponsible to be carrying in the first place. Keep your weapon concealed like its suppose to be and this question never comes up.

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I've never walked around so afraid of anybody or anything that I had to carry a pistol. I've always said the sure sign of a coward is the man that has to carry a gun to the grocery store. I own plenty of guns including pistols I use for hunting, so don't start saying I'm anti gun.

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I have always concealed to carry on a cast. As a female I am not going off with a group of strangers especially all men without one. I carry everywhere basically because the world is an unsafe place. Granted I have nevered had to use it but, it's like insurance it's there if I need it.

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Originally posted by J I Allen
I've never walked around so afraid of anybody or anything that I had to carry a pistol. I've always said the sure sign of a coward is the man that has to carry a gun to the grocery store. I own plenty of guns including pistols I use for hunting, so don't start saying I'm anti gun.

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I've never walked around so afraid of anybody or anything that I had to carry a pistol. I've always said the sure sign of a coward is the man that has to carry a gun to the grocery store. I own plenty of guns including pistols I use for hunting, so don't start saying I'm anti gun.

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Eat a big can of bushes baked beans a hard boiled egg and a can of mustard sardines that's concealed carry Especialy if your in their truck and your in the middle next time a land owner is chewing on you just hike your leg and rip off a greasy one they get lost for words.

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Nobody likes, enjoys and even works on guns more than me. I have an extensive collection of American doubles that is worth more than most peoples houses, so to say I am just pro-gun is a serious understatement. That said, I believe it is very important that we as gun owners respect both the law as well as policies that certain entities set. How you deal with those policies is up to you, a good example is when the big box stores have "No guns allowed" signs I turn around and walk away. If they feel that way they don't get my business.
UKC has a written, simple unambiguous policy or rule right on the scorecard. They use in that policy some pretty strong words, "absolutely no....." That's what that means to me. You cant do it.
Along comes an employee, who decides to publicly on the companies forum change or alter the policy to suit himself. This opens UKC to some possibly pretty heavy duty liability if the issue ever makes it into a court of law. UKC could find themselves in an indefensible position.
I think Mr. Kellam might have realized that he made a mistake later as he later does some back peddling but is still trying to save face:

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Originally posted by Terry
Question for Todd if I don't have to follow the "no gun policy"
or you are telling how to get around it. Is there other rules I don't have to follow? Cant UKC just get rid of the rule. We have enough word twisting going on in Washington.
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In what way did I "tell you how to get around it"? I said nobody can open carry during an event and nobody can illegally carry, meaning concealed if you are not authorized. I think that pretty much covers it. No I don't think we should get rid of the rule which would then allow anyone and everyone to carry a pistol on their light belt during a nite hunt. I think that would be a bad thing. Just my opinion.

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We know exactly what you said Mr, Kellam....the question is; either those words "absolutely no..." mean exactly that or they do not, which is it???? If a crime is committed in a place that has a "no-guns" policy, such as this one, the local law enforcement officer {states or district attorney} can chose to ask for a stiffer penalty, more jail time or higher fines.
I have seen too many times how issues like this play out with UKC..."absolutely no" translates to "maybe if you want to" by some employee, but you can believe when it hits a court room UKC will try to stand by that "absolutely no" and leave us all hanging.
If I was Mr. Kellam's boss he would have been looking for another job back in 2013. Maybe this has been addressed/corrected at a later date, but it appears an updated official stance from UKC is in order. The scorecard still echoes those words "no" but it sounds like any and everyone that goes to a UKC event wanting to carry carries a gun.

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I've never walked around so afraid of anybody or anything that I had to carry a pistol. I've always said the sure sign of a coward is the man that has to carry a gun to the grocery store. I own plenty of guns including pistols I use for hunting, so don't start saying I'm anti gun.

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.......That no firearm policy is exactly what Allen says, not to interfere with state laws governing night hunts........

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And I do apologize, it was Todd on pages 2,3 and 5.... But Allen on above post.
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