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Thyroid Problems?

What is causing the thyroid epidemic is the dog world? I never heard of thyroid problems until 6 yrs ago with a female I have. Now I ve got 2 dogs with low thyroid levels. Is it the dog feed or us just pampering the dogs now.

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I think it's something. I've never heard of such things in dogs before like messed up heat cycles. I don't think we are pampering the dogs as much as either the dog food or ivermectin or something. I used to think it was ivermectin but I'm at a loss now.

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I...100 percent believe with no doubt it is the feed.
I have been researching this for better than a year.
20 years ago you hardly ever heard of it.
This all really seems to have started to become an issue several years or so ago.
I been told by more than a few that I was on the wrong track, didn't know what I was talking about.
I have spoken with different people that had problems on one brand but not another. Or they sold a female because of lack of heat cycles .The new owner put them on another feed and they came in and were bred successfully. Or they bought a female that was bred previously and never came in after they bought them and using a different feed.
I have another post on here that lists the various "POISONS" being put into our dog feeds that are required by the federal government.
Many of them are know inhibitors of heat cycles and breeding problems. Copper, Soy, Beet pulp. Ethylene glycol ( yes the same chemical as Anti Freeze).Not enough iodine .Even the fluoride in your drinking water.
I like to show my dogs. I can't stand to see a duck footed crooked legged dog in my kennel .
I was feeding a good quality food but was still having problems maintaining a good foot and bone structure consistently.
I was at a loss as to why little house mutts would have these little tight cat feet and I was having problems.
I got tips from show people about different vitamins they were using in "addition " to their great feed they were using.
When I started adding these vitamins to my dogs diet like magic I no longer was having these problems I had struggled with.

Why do I mention this you might ask??
If the great high priced feeds we are feeding are nutritionally all our dogs needs for good health .WHY MUST I ADD VITAMINS TO MAINTAIN A GOOD BONE STRUCTURE????

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I have researched it and know a lot of people with dogs that have low thyroid levels. And it seems to be caused because the dog food now days does not have Iodine in it. A lot of guys are putting kelp on their dogs food to supplement this and said so far they thought they had seen good results.

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Could be the cause of a lot of it.

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In the past, dogs weren't tested. If they had a low thyroid level we didn't know it. Has anyone that has had a dog with a low thyroid level tried switching feed or giving them iodine but no meds and then had them retested?
If you think that it is the feed it would be real easy to prove. Take several dogs with a low level and switch their feed but don't give them meds. Then retest them. Shouldn't be that hard to show a difference. Or if you have a dog that had a low level and is on meds stop the meds and just give them iodine and have them retested. Then post your results.
"Believeing 100%" and "knowing" are two different things. Now your beliefs may be correct but they are just beliefs until you prove them. Proving the thyroid rumors shouldn't be that hard. I don't have a dog that has been tested and has a low level or I would try it.

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Tons of information pointing to dog food.
Here is a copy and paste from one article. This is a 9 year article.

HYPOTHYROIDISM IN DOGS
by Barbara Andrews, Publisher TheDogPlace.org

Ingestion of bromine and an iodine-deficient diet adversely impacts the thyroid gland, causing serious health problems, including cancer, in people and pets.

Low thyroid symptoms, weight gain, poor coat, lethargy, heat seeking, skin problems, call for a simple blood test diagnoses and hormone replacement therapy for your dog..

Symptoms of Canine Hypothyroidism
Lethargy, inattentiveness, and weight gain lead the list of symptoms in humans and dogs. If the patient has suffered with hypothyroidism for some time, there may be thickening of the skin and dry, dull hair.

Put people and pets may also exhibit any or all of these classic signs of low thyroid hormone: intolerance to cold, frequent ear infections, behavioral changes such as unprovoked aggression, depression, obsessive behavior, even seizures.

Preventing Thyroid Imbalance
Okay so what to do about thyroid problems? In addition to complimentary and alternative medicine (CAM, there is plain old fashioned common sense. JUNK DOG FOOD CONTRIBUTES TO LOW THYROID For instance, my friend in England had never heard of thyroid problems back in the early eighties when it was becoming common here. She fed meat to her own dogs and the hundred-plus dogs in her quarantine station. She supplemented with wheat-based “kibble” formulated specifically to balance a high meat diet. Gradually though, the Brits, including my friend, one of the most knowledgeable dog people I’ve ever known, were swayed by the marketing and convenience of “prepared” foods. Now they and their dogs have the same thyroid problems we’ve experienced for over three decades.

The point is that for centuries, domesticated dogs ate hormone and chemical free meat and table scraps. There was no grain-based dog food. Neither humans nor dogs suffered from the immune disorders so rampant now. Then came ii bromine - in commercially produced bread, cereal, and dog food.

Iodine Deficiency Hypothyroidism
About forty years ago, as fewer people baked (and fish consumption dropped), iodine was added to “store bought” bread. One slice contained about 150 micrograms of iodine, the RDA amount. Then the food industry decided to replace iodine with ii bromine, something that belongs to a pretty scary group of elements in modern life including fluorine and chlorine.

But wait, bromine doesn’t help the thyroid gland, in fact, it inhibits iodine’s activity! When food producers stopped enriching grain products with iodine and replaced it with an element that doesn’t work, it spelled trouble for both people and dogs.

Iodine has been added to table salt to counteract deficiencies but then "sea salt" came into popularity and it contains no iodine! If you doubt that, check the label. By all means, add a small amount of iodinized salt when preparing fresh meat or vegetables. Salt will NOT "cure" thyroid disease and be aware that excessive salt can cause other problems.

Help Protect Your Dog From Low Thyroid Levels
Shetland sheepdog in excellent coat and conditionThis Shetland Sheepdog (Sheltie) is in excellent heath as represented by his full glorious coat and alert demeanor. Dull, listless, thin hair coat, if combined with weight gain and behavioral changes can be a sure sign of low thyroid hormone. Knowing that stress can contribute to low thyroid function, many professional handlers put a new client dog on thyroid hormone supplements to prevent such symptoms but this is considered unwise.

Okay so what can you do for your dog? I hear you long-time breeders shouting “kelp!” If you want to protect yourself and your dog, there are excellent kelp products. Brown and red seaweeds such as kombu contain the most iodine. Visit a health food store or an Asian market. It’s cheap, effective and comes in many convenient forms.

You could use Lugol’s solution, a nasty tasting iodine/iodide preparation that’s been around forever. Or you could use Iodoral, a dried Lugol’s solution that provides 12.5 mg of iodine/iodide.

Unused iodine will be excreted in the urine which by the way, is an excellent but little-used test for iodine deficiency. Note: If you have a dog with mammary cancer, be SURE to supplement. In one human trial, 100% of cancer patients tested iodine deficient!

Can Antibiotics Cause Hypothyroidism?
There are many factors that inhibit the production of thyroid hormone in mammals. The most common inhibitors are certain antibiotics which, while they may solve one problem, often create another. Before we and our dogs took so much medication and ate so little “real” food, thyroid imbalance was a negligible condition. Talk to your vet if the dog is on any kind of prescription medication.

A more frequent cause of low thyroid output is fake food. The current “low carb” craze is good only if we replace white sugars and grains with something that has life and nutrients. The same science applies to the canine population, now largely fed corn and beet pulp, i.e. sugar.

Back in the eighties, I reported that cats were suddenly dying with previously unknown heart and thyroid problems until a researcher tumbled to the fact that cat food lacked taurine. Is it coincidence that the critter highest in taurine is a mouse? No… Cat food manufacturers hastened to add taurine, thus solving the low thyroid mystery and saving millions of cats.

Thyroid Hormone Medication
Do not take your dog off thyroid medication without talking to your veterinarian but here’s the key. Whether vet or medical doctor, you may have to push for sound advice and not just accept the “standard” answer propagated by prescription drug manufacturers.

Here’s a classic example of getting a medical practitioner to put aside the indoctrination of prescribed drugs. Blood thinners are prescribed under many different pharmaceutical names but basically they are warfarin, i.e. rat poison! Coumadin received a “black box” label warning in Oct. 2006 but is still routinely used for chemo patients under the name Heparin.

Vitamin “E” is a natural blood thinner with tremendously beneficial side effects rather than adverse side effects. When pinned down, most doctors will agree and remove the patient from warfarin-based prescriptions. As an aside, "E" research was pioneered by Dr. Wilfred E. Shute, a Canadian All Breed Judge... So, ask your vet if natural sources for iodine will work to boost thyroid hormone and the immune system.

Many breeders suggest supplementation with fish (mackerel, herring, etc.) because it is high in natural iodine, and for the same reason, some use kelp. Also ask if thyroid supplementation can permanently depress thyroid gland function.

Can Hypothyroidism Be Genetic?
Not in the same way we inherit hair or coat color. However, DNA developed or altered by a century of ingesting certain foods or by chemical exposure can occur. Akitas, a Japanese breed genetically “programmed” to eat iodine-rich seafood, became so challenged on our western diet that thyroid problems were rampant. Estrus cycles became flakey and non-productive. Males suffered from low libido and/or sperm count and often became overly aggressive.

I wondered why my dogs weren’t affected but it took a visitor from Japan to turn on the light bulb. We had always added canned fish, fresh raw meat and supplemented with kelp!

Excerpts from ShowSight Magazine, 2008

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In the past, dogs weren't tested. If they had a low thyroid level we didn't know it. Has anyone that has had a dog with a low thyroid level tried switching feed or giving them iodine but no meds and then had them retested?
If you think that it is the feed it would be real easy to prove. Take several dogs with a low level and switch their feed but don't give them meds. Then retest them. Shouldn't be that hard to show a difference. Or if you have a dog that had a low level and is on meds stop the meds and just give them iodine and have them retested. Then post your results.
"Believeing 100%" and "knowing" are two different things. Now your beliefs may be correct but they are just beliefs until you prove them. Proving the thyroid rumors shouldn't be that hard. I don't have a dog that has been tested and has a low level or I would try it.



I have changed their feed to Science Diet. I've seen a major difference in how they act and operated. The older female was on meds but had to spay after a litter of pups. That was 4 years ago now. The other female is a pup out of older female. Science diet has raised her levels some over the past month with no meds.

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Ok but how do we fix the problem? I've only found the hills science diet feeds is the only one with iodine salt but they don't have much for hard working dogs as far as high protein and fat.
I've seen some feeds with kelp and many others with calcium iodate, or other forms of iodate. Is this the same thing?

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I'm feeding the Science Diet Large breed puppy that is a 26 16. Potassium iodate is another form of Iodine. I'm almost to the point of just giving a pinch of iodized salt in feed every day.

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I have changed their feed to Science Diet. I've seen a major difference in how they act and operated. The older female was on meds but had to spay after a litter of pups. That was 4 years ago now. The other female is a pup out of older female. Science diet has raised her levels some over the past month with no meds.


So it wasn't the corn? lol

This is about as high in energy of a diet I could find for Science Diet. They got out of the Performance Diets a few years ago. This is a 26/16 puppy diet. I've always been a big believer in Science Diet for this reason. Quality Control!

https://www.chewy.com/hills-science...ealthy/dp/37837

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Thanks Cody, so you had a young dog with documented low thyroid levels. Did you put her on meds and her levels went up? You took her off meds and started her on Science Diet and levels went up or have stayed up? Can you be a little more specific? Did you add any supplements or vitamins? This is the type of info that we need.

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Has anyone had a dog with documented low thyroid levels tried just giving their dog iodine instead of the meds and then have them retested?

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Female #1 was on meds for a low thyroid with a level of .8 . She was put on meds twice a day and 6 mo later she came in heat for the first time in her life a 4 yrs old. Stopped meds after I had to spay her.

Female #2 is a 4 yr old female out of the above female. Diagnosed with low thyroid and placed on Science diet. Advised by my vet just to feed science diet and not give meds. My vet has hounds with thyroid problems and meds with science diet caused the levels to get way too high on their hounds. After a little over month and half my female has went from a 1.5 to a 2.0 naturally only with science diet and pet tab vitamins.

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Female #1 was on meds for a low thyroid with a level of .8 . She was put on meds twice a day and 6 mo later she came in heat for the first time in her life a 4 yrs old. Stopped meds after I had to spay her.

Female #2 is a 4 yr old female out of the above female. Diagnosed with low thyroid and placed on Science diet. Advised by my vet just to feed science diet and not give meds. My vet has hounds with thyroid problems and meds with science diet caused the levels to get way too high on their hounds. After a little over month and half my female has went from a 1.5 to a 2.0 naturally only with science diet and pet tab vitamins.




I'd keep a close tab on that first females levels as well. Hypothyroidism causes many problems, not just reproductive issues. It can lead to seizures, enlarged heart, chronic ear infections, bladder infections, skin coat problems as a host of other problems.

I'd be interested to see more dogs changed to higher quality diets and see what happens to their thyroid levels. Science Diet Puppy uses the same iodine supplement as Pro Plan 30/20. They both use Calcium Iodide as well as Iodized Salt.

My suspicion is that many hounds are just on poor quality food and when changed to premium diets like Eukanuba, Pro Plan or Science Diet their thyroid levels improve.

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That is just the documentation that needs to be done. The next step would be to switch her back to another brand of feed and see what her thyroid level does. And another interesting trial would be to keep a dog on the same feed and give them a good iodine supplement.

If someone wants to make some money, they could develop a good digestible iodine supplement and then do a trial.

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Cody, has your vet tried any feed other than Science Diet?

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Re: Re: Answers

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I'd keep a close tab on that first females levels as well. Hypothyroidism causes many problems, not just reproductive issues. It can lead to seizures, enlarged heart, chronic ear infections, bladder infections, skin coat problems as a host of other problems.

I'd be interested to see more dogs changed to higher quality diets and see what happens to their thyroid levels. Science Diet Puppy uses the same iodine supplement as Pro Plan 30/20. They both use Calcium Iodide as well as Iodized Salt.

My suspicion is that many hounds are just on poor quality food and when changed to premium diets like Eukanuba, Pro Plan or Science Diet their thyroid levels improve.

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What about a dog that was raised on the Pro Plan and still has a low thyroid? I have seen a few of them, mine included.

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Myself along with a couple of good friends(one which is a vet) have been trying to get to the bottom of this thyroid prob for about a year and a half. Although there's still a lot to learn about it one things for certain. Its the DOG FOOD!!! We've tried and researched about every brand and kept records of the dogs that had the prob and what they ate plus flea meds, wormer, etc.Purina,victor,diamond and all the rest BESIDES science diet had thyroid issues. Science diet uses iodized salt, the others iodine comes from diff sources way down the list on the ingredients chart. All of our hounds were on meds until we put them on science diet and then their thyroid levels went through the roof in two months or less. The other feed company's had better get on the stick with this prob or they'll have big time law suits on their hands. If your hound has thyroid probs try science diet for a couple of months. I'll bet it fixes your prob

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Thanks Brent. If anyone tries this, let us know whether it works or not. I have been told that you can get Science Diet at TSC.
I have a friend that is going today to get a bag of Science Diet.

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It's worked on every hound we've fed it to that had low thyroid. Look on chewy.com. They'll ship it to your front door

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Seems it has corn and beet pulp. But does use salt for iodine. Not saying it is bad,, but seems every food has something that isn't supposed to be fed to our hounds

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Myself along with a couple of good friends(one which is a vet) have been trying to get to the bottom of this thyroid prob for about a year and a half. Although there's still a lot to learn about it one things for certain. Its the DOG FOOD!!! We've tried and researched about every brand and kept records of the dogs that had the prob and what they ate plus flea meds, wormer, etc.Purina,victor,diamond and all the rest BESIDES science diet had thyroid issues. Science diet uses iodized salt, the others iodine comes from diff sources way down the list on the ingredients chart. All of our hounds were on meds until we put them on science diet and then their thyroid levels went through the roof in two months or less. The other feed company's had better get on the stick with this prob or they'll have big time law suits on their hands. If your hound has thyroid probs try science diet for a couple of months. I'll bet it fixes your prob


I believe we use the same vet.

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Potato changing color

I saw somewhere that you can rub some of your dog feed on a sliced potato and it would change color. EXPLAIN this process please, how much feed to use and what color does the potato change to. I won't to try this on the feed I am feeding, VICTOR

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It's worked on every hound we've fed it to that had low thyroid. Look on chewy.com. They'll ship it to your front door


I've never bought from chewy before, right now the price is 37$. Does the price change much or is this price about as cheep as it gets? Thanks

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