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Location: Palatka, FL
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I would love to hear your opinions on this situation. Especially opinions on how both can work together. Unfortunately I think if it stays a controversy the Coon Hunter will be the looser. Living in FL where deer hunting with hounds is a way of life, many of the deer clubs have been great in supporting dog running and keeping dog hunting alive down here. They are my friends. With that said I realize the Deer Hunters that still hunt have a different point of view and don't want dogs near their property. I have a place in TN where my Son leases about 1200 acres and we own a small part of it. This pass year he found some feeder buckets on the land and put a note in them to be contacted. I encouraged him to work with the Coon Hunter and let him hunt the property when deer season is not in. He did and hopefully him and the young man can work well together to benefit both.
I was looking yesterday as some of the deer on camera and thinking about my upcoming trip up there. Then my mind wondered to coon hunter and I am a true believer the dogs do little to effect the hunting. But when your planning a deer hunt there is a part of you that don't want the dogs in there.
Anybody have a positive way for us all to work together.

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Bruce it is big problem up here in Michigan too. Some years back my Brother in Laws best man who is a dairy farmer and bow hunter ask me too take him Coon hunting just to see what is was like. Him and his two brothers are big time Bow Hunters. A buddy of mine and myself took him out one night and long story short we treed two coon. While dogs treeing on edge of woods (treeing very loudly) we shot coon out and when we turned around and shined the hayfield next to a corn field standing 75 yds away was three bucks and seven does. He commented that he could not believe that the deer were not affected by the dogs. After that night we could come in after the first three days of Bow season. His two brothers still a little apprehesive. Sometimes it is about changing their mind set on the affects of night hunting on deer herd. I really believe that most deer hunters do not really know the animal that they are hunting. I coon hunt the same areas I deer hunt. It is very difficult to change attitudes, but it can be done.

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The problem I have with deer season is that half of the people in the woods are NOT sportsmen. They are in the woods 4-5 days a year. Many have never killed anything with that $500 rifle they are packing. Some will shoot your dog if it's within a mile of their stand.Half of them are at a " deer camp" where they stay drunk. Even on the public ground where I hunt they think they own the 15,000 acres because they are camping there. I don't hunt starting 3 days before gun season until after the second weekend is over. Most of the wannabes are done by then. Wouldn't bother me a bit if every deer in the country caught a plague and died tomorrow. Wish I had a solution to the problem but don't think there will be one, too many amateurs and drunks to deal with.

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i play both rolls and i believe i am a true sportsman of both and i don't stereotype either hunter. there are certainly good and bad on each side. I'm not sure if it is exactly what you're looking for but here is my two cents.

Coonhunting, i have shined a tree for 5 minutes with my dog blowing the top out it, leashed the dog walked away to notice a deer lying 30 yards away just watching. this has happened to me multiple times. I don't believe the coon hunting effects the deer hunting to much.. unless your hound is running off game such as deer. then obviously that would be a different outcome.

As a deer hunter, and a very serious one.. if I'm chasing a big one, i definitely won't be coon hunting that woods because i want to eliminate any and all of the foreign scents and encounters for that buck.

A lot of my coonhunting permission comes from me mentioning to the land owner, "I'll stay out of there during deer season". because i know if i don't, they won't grant me with the permission at all.

Double edged sword. Im just lucky enough and blessed to have enough places around to hunt to where i can stay out of coon hunters during deer hunts and stay out of deer hunters way while I'm coon hunting.

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When it comes to coonhunter vs deer hunter, the coonhunters lost that one by a country mile a long time ago. Deer hunting generates 100 times the revenue that Coonhunting ever will. And money runs everything.
The last refuge for coonhunters is state land and we better fight tooth and nail to keep it.
I absolutely believe the deer hunting lobby is our worst enemy. PETA and HSUS don't even look at us anymore because they know the deer hunters will bury us so why should they spend money against coonhunters? In Indiana, every loss the coonhunters suffer has come from the deer hunting lobby.

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Bruce, I have a daughter that is a typical deer hunter and would rather deer hunt than eat when she's hungry. She killed 7 year before last and 5 last year and has already killed 2 this year. She's in a club in SC and hunts on my place about 75 yards from where my dogs are kept. If my dogs bark a time or two she will text me and tell to shut those dogs up she's trying to deer hunt. I have shown her pictures of a doe and fawns in my yard less than 50 feet from my dogs and have told her about seeing a buck walking within 20 feet of where my male dog is kenneled and that the dogs don't bother the deer because they're used to the dogs, but being a deer hunter if a dog barks within a half mile of her hunting it will mess up her hunting.

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JiM that is the very object of this post. Maybe like toney and bsearless we can hear some good ideas and give some young coon hunters some information to gain some grounds on deer hunters. I understand the deer hunters side, especially the serious ones and are looking for that big buck. There are deer hunters that play their game at an elevated level just like there are coon hunters that play their game at an elevated level. My Son has stopped sticking does and small bucks because he is serious about the big ones. Opening morning he had a miscue with his release which cost him the biggest buck he has harvested and he has some nice ones. He now realizes that buck might go nocturnal on him and he will not see it again. If a dog would of spooked that buck and he knew it, he would never let a dog hunter on that property.
On our deer lease I encouraged my Son to work with the Coon Hunter which he did but and there is a big BUT. He had to also get the other 5 guys on the lease to buy into it which was hard to do. I use to coon hunt and then call my deer hunting buddies like was mentioned here and tell them where I saw the big buck bedded at night. I know the dogs, me and my light spook very few deer. Yes money for the deer leases and the deer hunters will probably win out but it is at least fun trying to come up a way for all of us to work together.

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Mr. Allen my resident is in a semi rural area with some land around it. Deer in the yard all the time. Came to work this morning and one of the guys here said there was a big buck in the yard Saturday night. Deer are not afraid of my dog pens or my dogs. Was mowing this weekend and its funny to see the deer tracks and just how close they get. They eat flowers out of the flower bed right by the house and they sure ain't afraid of penned up dogs. My only fear is not from the deer but someone taking a shot at one from the road and the bullet coming into my bedroom. lol

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Bruce,

Back when I collected information with the questionnaire. Deer hunters were viewed as the number one threat to coon hunting. Even more so than antihunters.

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I don't have the ability to scan and put the study on here, but there was a study done several years ago. It showed no difference in the deer's activity whether dogs were run in the test area or the quiet area, even if the dogs ran a deer, they were back in the area a few short hours later. My personal thought is that most deer hunters are too sanitary. Why is there so many deer in city limits and in peoples' back yards? Deer are used to human scent. I feel it is mostly propaganda by the scent companies to sell more products.

Edit: I had to leave for a moment and by the time I finished the post, others filled in the blanks for me. lol

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My three main spots to hunt are infested with coon, deer and turkey. All three are small outfitters. I am able to basically hunt year round. I stay out when they ask me to. One produced a 205 7/8 buck last year, the year before 189+. All 3 cover about 1100 acres a piece. Hunt and never cover it all. I do stay out for all of turkey season just so I don't mess up the roost. I just tried getting permission to hunt about 3000acres of bottom farm land and the land owner told me no because it will run the deer out. Lol. Funny thing was his grandfather is a coon hunter and needs a hunting partner because he is 79 years old.

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question-why do both seasons need to be at the same time ? as long as both groups are in the woods at the same time there will be conflicts

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I don't have the ability to scan and put the study on here, but there was a study done several years ago. It showed no difference in the deer's activity whether dogs were run in the test area or the quiet area, even if the dogs ran a deer, they were back in the area a few short hours later. My personal thought is that most deer hunters are too sanitary. Why is there so many deer in city limits and in peoples' back yards? Deer are used to human scent. I feel it is mostly propaganda by the scent companies to sell more products.

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Just saw on Facebook where a "deer hunter " killed someone's dog. Hope it don't happen to me I'd be the one getting locked up.

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I don't believe there's an easy answer because the general deer hunters mentality rivals the logical reasoning of Nancy Pelosi. Borders on insanity.

6 weeks of archery, 2 weeks of muzzleloader a week of early rifle season for youth and senor's, and a 2 week rifle season.

1.3 million licensed deer hunters in PA. Most making dozens and dozens of trips to the woods over the season. Yet a dozen or so coon hunters in my county walking through the woods, 1 man and 1 dog, will screw up the deer hunting. For the love of all things common sense, give me a break!

A healthy population of coyotes, black bear, and bobcats are in most every county in PA. If deer ran off every time something that was a possible threat was in the area they would never stop running. Unless pursued they avoid and adapt without leaving what is familiar to them. Period. 1 man and 1 dog is the least of their problems. Like stated in above posts I've often seen deer close by laying or standing watching a treed dog.

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The deer hunters think I am saving them money with their feed bill. I know many states you can't put corn on the ground.

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The best two weeks for coon hunting is usually taken up by deer hunting season move the season for deer hunting up to around Christmas time and this would solve a lot of the problem for when colder weather sets in only the tough coon hunters want to hunt that kind of weather.

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2 deer camps right next door never a problem even during season i think it helps that i don't hunt deer !

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Take a deer hunter along and let them see what coon hunting is about and it don't bother the deer. My dad has a couple pope and young hanging on the wall and several. Boone and Crockett most of them shot with bow the morning after I have ran the hounds. Some people you will never convince...

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yep its that time year again!! I respect all hunters deer or what ever ya do!!or try to look at it from there side!!! but hard to do at times!! I did talk to a guy a few days ago about deer hunting where I have the camper down southern oh!! he was a nice guy!! he told me I could coonhunt after deer gun season in nov!! and that he would like to go along!! told him great more than welcome!! he said he had a side by side we could ride!! dang that sounded good!! but I told him I never use those even tho I have one!! iam not handiecap yet!!but if that's what he wants to use ill bite!!he said he would like to take up coonhunting!!great deal!! the point iam getting at is some of the deer hunters are somewhat considerate to our needs!! most are not!!!

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The dog i mentioned above shot by deer hunter was on public ground hunting squirrel legally and yet many "deer hunters " are defending this jerks actions. You can't reason with idiots. Im not saying all deer hunters are bad im saying deer season brings out too many stupid people who have no business in the woods with a weapon.

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The dog i mentioned above shot by deer hunter was on public ground hunting squirrel legally and yet many "deer hunters " are defending this jerks actions. You can't reason with idiots. Im not saying all deer hunters are bad im saying deer season brings out too many stupid people who have no business in the woods with a weapon.

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I will never understand it. I deer hunt and I’m serious about it, but I have enough sense to know that deer encounter predators all day every day. Myself or my dog is no different to them than a coyote. The big one that kills me is the guys that think if you take a leak in the woods its OVER! Every deer in the woods just went nocturnal. Deer including big buck don’t go nocturnal, they are somewhere during the day light hours. They get up to eat and drink several times a day. They get pics only at night and think they are nocturnal. They just don’t go through that area until dark.


They are an altogether different animal at night. They only spook most of the time if they smell you. Deer hunting has more misinformation in it than anything I can think of, but the only chance we stand against the deer hunters is to stay out of their way during season and take one hunting if you get a chance.

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I will never understand it. I deer hunt and I’m serious about it, but I have enough sense to know that deer encounter predators all day every day. Myself or my dog is no different to them than a coyote. The big one that kills me is the guys that think if you take a leak in the woods its OVER! Every deer in the woods just went nocturnal. Deer including big buck don’t go nocturnal, they are somewhere during the day light hours. They get up to eat and drink several times a day. They get pics only at night and think they are nocturnal. They just don’t go through that area until dark.


They are an altogether different animal at night. They only spook most of the time if they smell you. Deer hunting has more misinformation in it than anything I can think of, but the only chance we stand against the deer hunters is to stay out of their way during season and take one hunting if you get a chance.

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Bunch of them brought their travel trailers down on this goverment land and set up last week bow season opened Saturday they took one one look at this grown up mess this year and left lol!!

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