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For the guys the coon hunt in all registries. If your serious about it, what is an acceptable percentage for your Competition Dog.
I am not talking about what you can win with. Some nights you can win with 5 circle trees. I am talking about what the serious guys feel they need from their dog to be at the upper level of any competition hunt.

I wil start it off.
80% will win most of your cast and you have a dog that you can be competitive with in most cast.
70% will leave you disappointed a lot of nights. Dog done fair but just didn't win.
60% you think you have a coonhound and can't figure out why you can't win more.
50% if your hauling this dog around your wasting money and time.

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I wil start it off.
80% will win most of your cast and you have a dog that you can be competitive with in most cast.
70% will leave you disappointed a lot of nights. Dog done fair but just didn't win.
60% you think you have a coonhound and can't figure out why you can't win more.
50% if your hauling this dog around your wasting money and time.

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I have been compitition coonhunting for a while now. I've hunted with a lot of the winningest hounds of all time. I would say there is less than 5 hounds in this country that could be hauled around to 2 big hunts a month. 24 big hunts a year. A stay at a true 70% or better accuracy. In other words better than 70% of the time gets you plused up. I've went through spurts where mine stated above 85% for a while. You haul them around Enuff they will have plenty of nights they look like crap. It's the whole PEEK thing.

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Nate i agree, but this post isn't about what will work. 60% keeps a lot of guys on the road. It is about if your serious and you evaluating if you need to move to another dog or just go to more hunts. Then you better settle on the 80% dog. 70% will get you wins. Just not the wins that will pay the bills to haul the dog around.

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Nate i agree, but this post isn't about what will work. 60% keeps a lot of guys on the road. It is about if your serious and you evaluating if you need to move to another dog or just go to more hunts. Then you better settle on the 80% dog. 70% will get you wins. Just not the wins that will pay the bills to haul the dog around.

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I have been compitition coonhunting for a while now. I've hunted with a lot of the winningest hounds of all time. I would say there is less than 5 hounds in this country that could be hauled around to 2 big hunts a month. 24 big hunts a year. A stay at a true 70% or better accuracy. In other words better than 70% of the time gets you plused up. I've went through spurts where mine stated above 85% for a while. You haul them around Enuff they will have plenty of nights they look like crap. It's the whole PEEK thing.

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I have been compitition coonhunting for a while now. I've hunted with a lot of the winningest hounds of all time. I would say there is less than 5 hounds in this country that could be hauled around to 2 big hunts a month. 24 big hunts a year. A stay at a true 70% or better accuracy. In other words better than 70% of the time gets you plused up. I've went through spurts where mine stated above 85% for a while. You haul them around Enuff they will have plenty of nights they look like crap. It's the whole PEEK thing.

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I'm hunting one now that I would say is 60%, but is it because the leaves are on or because I suck at finding coon ????. I know when the leaves finally drop I'm going to have a better idea on if its me or the dog falling up short. If he is falling up a short it will be education time because I want 80% either a den or coon.

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I realize you are only asking from the serious comp hunters, but by doing so you must realize these same folks are not going to give you the answer you may be looking for unless you are (only) a serious comp hunter as well.

I say that because the serious comp hunter may not necessarily have any interest in maintaining a particular bloodline. There ONLY goal is how to win the next cast. Now there are a few serious comp hunters that are breeders also, but for the most part the real serious comp hunters are on somebody's payroll.

Now for this Ole country boy who has never been to more than 20 casts per year, but hardly ever less than 7-10 casts per year for the past 40 plus years, but hunt 2-3 nights per week, using UKC's rules requirements for determining how my dog(s) are progressing, I use the following scale for accuracy.

90% accuracy of an actual coon OR a legitimate den tree Is ideal for me. Legitimate den for me is any tree that has a hole the size of a baseball or larger. Anywhere a coon's head goes, if the hole is deep enough it's body will follow. I don't want one 100% accurate as that style dog will leave as many coon sitting up as it will stay treed on, when working medium to cold tracks in my area.

80% accuracy is more the norm for an average of where many of the good dogs from my line usually end up. I can live with 80% so long as the dog is a chop mouthed tree dog, hunts out to 600-1000 yards by it's self, and is absolutely straight on coon. One other thing this dog must also have, is to very seldom locate on trees and then move on. I like my dogs to either be tracking OR treeing but I don't like them to try to do both at the same time.

70% accuracy is MY BOTTOM LINE. Anything below 70% average in any 30 day window after turning 3 years of age is just not going to get it at my house. I don't care how pretty a tree dog it is, if it's less than 70% at 3 years of age it's going to fall below my standard. I know dogs can have bad nights, bad weeks, bad months, etc. but they better not have two bad months in a row or they will be finding some one else to love them, LOL!!

I'm certainly not the hardest comp hunter, and I'm a LONG ways from the smartest breeder, but I have been breeding what I hunt, and hunting what I breed for many years now, but that 70% number has always been my tolerance level for accuracy since about 1978.

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I wil start it off.
80% will win most of your cast and you have a dog that you can be competitive with in most cast.
70% will leave you disappointed a lot of nights. Dog done fair but just didn't win.
60% you think you have a coonhound and can't figure out why you can't win more.
50% if your hauling this dog around your wasting money and time.

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Bruce, accuracy and percentages have been beat to death on here. During these many beatings, I have come to find multiple definitions of accuracy percentages. Can you please define your meaning?

My definition is based on a year round basis, coon seen or coon not seen. Dens count as a coon NOT seen! With this definition, 80% is a freak of nature, very very few exist. Even the two out of three (66%) models are not out there in bunches and what I would consider well above average . 50% is still above average, with 35-40% being what I would consider a national average. Some folks claim geographical location is a contributing factor.

A can of worms type conversation

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Bruce, accuracy and percentages have been beat to death on here. During these many beatings, I have come to find multiple definitions of accuracy percentages. Can you please define your meaning?

My definition is based on a year round basis, coon seen or coon not seen. Dens count as a coon NOT seen! With this definition, 80% is a freak of nature, very very few exist. Even the two out of three (66%) models are not out there in bunches and what I would consider well above average . 50% is still above average, with 35-40% being what I would consider a national average. Some folks claim geographical location is a contributing factor.

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If mine does not tree coons & have them a HIGH percentage of time & by high percentage of time as in about 8 coon out of 10 trees..
I won't bother to hunt them nor will they have a spot in my pen very long, Let alone waste a entry fee to put them in a cast to embarrass myself.. If I pack something to a hunt, It will be something that has coons when it trees & will do it's own thing very consistently. With what I have hunted with these past couple years, From GrNtCh's in UKC or Dogs in PKC that have from 5-25k$$$ won lifetime, & after I hunt with them I think to myself "How did they ever win a cast?"
If you can't tree coons w/ a dog and do it consistently year round, why would you pack it to a hunt and believe you'll get lucky enough to win a cast with it? Just does not make sense to me. JMO..

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I'd love to see a dog that is 75-80%. I've seen dogs that are 80-90% for a week or 2. I've never seen one that would keep that average for a year. If a person would actually keep up with trees for a year and be brutally honest I honestly don't believe you would ever see 80%. I would say the majority would be well below 50% and you may have a few that could keep 60 maybe 70%.

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I'd love to see a dog that is 75-80%. I've seen dogs that are 80-90% for a week or 2. I've never seen one that would keep that average for a year. If a person would actually keep up with trees for a year and be brutally honest I honestly don't believe you would ever see 80%. I would say the majority would be well below 50% and you may have a few that could keep 60 maybe 70%.

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You hit the nail on the head, "actually keep track for a year". Over a decade ago, I did keep track for a year. Let's just say at the end of that year the word "SHOCKED" was an understatement

I'll stick with just saying a dog is pretty good about having a coon when it trees.

As Mike (Surveyor) eluded to, you can pretty much throw these percentages out the window. Way too many variables, with the biggest variable being the HUMAN FACTOR.

To add in a wrinkle for the folks who like to count dens as a coon seen, what is an acceptable annual percentage of den trees?

Food for thought: Dog A makes 100 trees, 65 coon seen, 15 den trees, 20 trees either leafy or slick.

Dog B makes 100 trees, 50 coon seen, 30 den trees, 20 trees either leafy or slick.

For the folks with the den tree equals a coon seen mindset, Dogs A & B have equal (80%) accuracy. Now, you tell me, which dog is really more accurate & what is the determining factor?

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I personally consider den trees as slick most of the time. I often feel that my dogs fall treed on the scent left by the coon as it was leaving. I know theres times that theres a good chance the meat is there but not as often as i would like. For several years i used dens as an excuse but my opinion has changed.

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At risk of plagiarizing, I would completely agree with your numbers...

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80% will win most of your cast and you have a dog that you can be competitive with in most cast.
70% will leave you disappointed a lot of nights. Dog done fair but just didn't win.
60% you think you have a coonhound and can't figure out why you can't win more.
50% if your hauling this dog around your wasting money and time.

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For the guys the coon hunt in all registries. If your serious about it, what is an acceptable percentage for your Competition Dog.
I am not talking about what you can win with. Some nights you can win with 5 circle trees. I am talking about what the serious guys feel they need from their dog to be at the upper level of any competition hunt.

I wil start it off.
80% will win most of your cast and you have a dog that you can be competitive with in most cast.
70% will leave you disappointed a lot of nights. Dog done fair but just didn't win.
60% you think you have a coonhound and can't figure out why you can't win more.
50% if your hauling this dog around your wasting money and time.

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
For the guys the coon hunt in all registries. If your serious about it, what is an acceptable percentage for your Competition Dog.
I am not talking about what you can win with. Some nights you can win with 5 circle trees. I am talking about what the serious guys feel they need from their dog to be at the upper level of any competition hunt.

I wil start it off.
80% will win most of your cast and you have a dog that you can be competitive with in most cast.
70% will leave you disappointed a lot of nights. Dog done fair but just didn't win.
60% you think you have a coonhound and can't figure out why you can't win more.
50% if your hauling this dog around your wasting money and time.

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Not to get this off on another trail, but are you saying this is a result of competition hunting? And if so what's the main cause, other dogs? What?

I just pleasure hunt and realize dogs go thru stages where they're just clicking, and other times not so much, maybe not hunting like they've been, ect. But if I have a 3 yr old going backwards on accuracy that dog better be not feeling good, because otherwise it's not going to like the grouchy, irritable, miserable cuss I would soon turn into.

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When a dog trees I have a 1/3 chance of seeing a coon. I would love to find a dog that from Jan1-Dec 31 that is 80% at showing me eyeballs in all conditions. EYEBALLS.

I would honestly give $30,000 dollars for a dog that showed me 8 out of ten coons year around.

I would never be beat.

If you have that dog I would love to try him or her. Breed does not matter. Nothing over 7.

I think 60% is the best we can get. But,I agree,I am not as intelligent as most and I know several have that 80%. I just have never seen it. And,I have hunted with a few pretty good ones.

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A 60% dog in cast situations being haled to strange places and put under pressure is accurate. Real accurate if they can maintain that over a long period. If there 60 they probably have spurts where there above 80 but have funks that really drop that percentage. I will say we have been to 3 truck hunts and dot has been 10 for 11 only winning one cast. The only tree not plused was a den.

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I need to abstain from this post , because I don't want to be called a liar ,, Aww to heck with it just call me a Liar

August 4th I started back hunting , no competition hunts and only been cut once with another dog , I have kept count 104 trees, 5 hotel motel trees (dens) 1 weird circle slick tree ,, Im not sure what it even was he didn't even tree right stood off the tree and bawled (strange)acting deal from beginning to the end ,, But hes had 98 coon , never have I before owned a dog like him ,

his Mom wasn't that way his dad Isnt that way , his Grandmother wasn't that way , I don't know where and why or how come hes so deadly , but he loves to have a coon ,

I guess Im bragging

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Mr. Eads, I mean No disrespect at all, but I have been around a lot of descriptions of the outcomes of coon hunts over the years. For my clarification, are you saying 98 of those individual trees had ONE coon in them OR are you saying you saw a total of 98 coons out of those, 104 trees. It's your story, and I don't have any inclination to start hunting black & Tans so I'm just looking to be sure I fully understand the outcome of your hunt records.

In my area of Ohio, it would be very difficult to find a single coon in 98 of 104 trees as there would be a few doubles and a few triples and some trees with 4,5,or 6 coons in the tree in the month of August, as the kits are still together down here during this time. I would be really surprised to make 98 individual trees and see only a single coon in each tree.

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So here's a question.

Why does it seem every dog has good times of the year they do great and other times they can't buy a tree with a Coon? One dog I used to own looked great in winter but come summer he had a hard time (3 yr old male). Now the older female I have now is pretty balanced all year. But she has bad hunts too just not months at a time. And she's 8. Been hunted down south, upper Midwest, south Midwest, and now the Northeast. Now I'm not trying to say she's a great dog. But she is a good one. She isn't a pretty hound.

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