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How many of you have ever owned or seen a UKC coonhound that had any similarity to a bird dog? Years ago there was a famous redbone stud that reportedly was half pointer. He never produced a speckled pup. Is that possible? Maybe, but not likely. Now, we have been breeding hounds to find coons in trees since Davey Crocket was grinning bears. And now we have to add bird dog to help them find a coon in a tree. (I wonder if bird doggers ever talk about crossing with a blue tick?) If we need to cross with bird dogs after all these years, previous coon hound breeders must not have known much about breeding dogs.

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If you put in some Bird Dog it will help them find a Coon although what you going to add to keep them from Slicking ?

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Well, that's an easy one. If they're finding coons, they ain't slicking.

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Although finding it and putting a tree to the one that it is really in is to different Ducks all together .

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If you put in some Bird Dog it will help them find a Coon although what you going to add to keep them from Slicking ?

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If you put in some Bird Dog it will help them find a Coon although what you going to add to keep them from Slicking ?

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You won't get a better nose just a different style of hunting dog. Not everybody likes the same style dog. I 've seen bird dogs wind and point birds at 30-40 ft. Now put that into a hound. You could very well get a dog that could tree 6,7,8 coon around a corn field while another is trying to trail one up. Imo it's not the nose folks are after its style and that style may not suit everybody or different parts of the country. But I could definitely see how you could load a truck fast with hides up north. May jus have a headache where they have to trail one up. I'd say the best bet would be to go bird dog to runnin dog then take that back to a coondog. But I don't know never tried it. I'd sure like to!!!

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You won't get a better nose just a different style of hunting dog. Not everybody likes the same style dog. I 've seen bird dogs wind and point birds at 30-40 ft. Now put that into a hound. You could very well get a dog that could tree 6,7,8 coon around a corn field while another is trying to trail one up. Imo it's not the nose folks are after its style and that style may not suit everybody or different parts of the country. But I could definitely see how you could load a truck fast with hides up north. May jus have a headache where they have to trail one up. I'd say the best bet would be to go bird dog to runnin dog then take that back to a coondog. But I don't know never tried it. I'd sure like to!!!

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Yes I agree might take a couple generations to fine tune it. I'd say if the star's lined up and it worked it'd be somethin to see when you turned it loose!

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Bought a male dog to use as a stud dog just a few years ago, brother was famous and the bloodline is one of the foundation lines. He was 55 lbs of muscle, slick as glass and galloped like a race horse, tireless. Bawl mouthed also. Independent and sometimes went out of the country. Tail stuck straight up when he hunted. I thought man he is different.
Called the well respected breeder and thought he would like to know about him since his famous stud died, he was short and to the point and said that cross did not reproduce,lol
bred him a couple times and most were to pencil headed for me.
I believe bird dog was in the mix. Talked to a couple guys in that state and they said it was kept quite, but they did it to make hot nosed dogs that could cover territory and fall treed.
no cold trailing for them , one coon wins? I do not doubt it

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You won't get a better nose just a different style of hunting dog. Not everybody likes the same style dog. I 've seen bird dogs wind and point birds at 30-40 ft. Now put that into a hound. You could very well get a dog that could tree 6,7,8 coon around a corn field while another is trying to trail one up. Imo it's not the nose folks are after its style and that style may not suit everybody or different parts of the country. But I could definitely see how you could load a truck fast with hides up north. May jus have a headache where they have to trail one up. I'd say the best bet would be to go bird dog to runnin dog then take that back to a coondog. But I don't know never tried it. I'd sure like to!!!

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You ever see those liver colored blue ticks? Where does that come from? Looks like bird dog to me but I really don't know. I actually like the color.

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You ever see those liver colored blue ticks? Where does that come from? Looks like bird dog to me but I really don't know. I actually like the color.

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Rob you absolutely don't need to put BIRD dog in a hound if guys would do selective breeding!! I know from a fact!! got several dogs here young at that!! back in the winter got a young dog here!! he was 6 1/2 mts old when season came in!! one nite he treed 13 another he tree 12 and several nts he treed from 8-11 coon different nites!!and many more!! he can run a track just as well as he can find them sitting up!!got a great nose!! 17 mts old now!!HE is just like his sire!! his grandpa and great grandpa!! its all about how ya breed!!MOST natural you can find or raise!! that is what you raise or me I should say!!jmo

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Rob does put bird dog in them ! I got a pup from him two weeks ago and sent him a nasty text . This pup chases birds all day and hasn't treed a coon yet. If I'm lying I'm dying ! Sorry background I'd guess.

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Rob you absolutely don't need to put BIRD dog in a hound if guys would do selective breeding!! I know from a fact!! got several dogs here young at that!! back in the winter got a young dog here!! he was 6 1/2 mts old when season came in!! one nite he treed 13 another he tree 12 and several nts he treed from 8-11 coon different nites!!and many more!! he can run a track just as well as he can find them sitting up!!got a great nose!! 17 mts old now!!HE is just like his sire!! his grandpa and great grandpa!! its all about how ya breed!!MOST natural you can find or raise!! that is what you raise or me I should say!!jmo

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Rob does put bird dog in them ! I got a pup from him two weeks ago and sent him a nasty text . This pup chases birds all day and hasn't treed a coon yet. If I'm lying I'm dying ! Sorry background I'd guess.

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You ever see those liver colored blue ticks? Where does that come from? Looks like bird dog to me but I really don't know. I actually like the color.

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You ever see those liver colored blue ticks? Where does that come from? Looks like bird dog to me but I really don't know. I actually like the color.

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They have mixed ole blue with everything !!! Only thing ole blue is good at is being ole blue jmo!!

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They have mixed ole blue with everything !!! Only thing ole blue is good at is being ole blue jmo!!

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Jeff the only , only, only way any mixing works is a lot of boot leather and years of culling. Keith sutmiller does just what I said I did years ago he hones his dogs locating ability on squirrels and hunts them on coons also you hear about the ones that work nobody hears about the ones that don't. Remember the X bred dogs were going to take over the world. I did hunt years ago with a hound X bird dog cross he was a coon treer but had the sorriest mouth.

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I have clover bred dogs...they are ticked up like a bird dog....wonder where that comes from ?

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Suttmiller has crosses that work. But, you are right,he puts the boot leather behind them

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I have clover bred dogs...they are ticked up like a bird dog....wonder where that comes from ?

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