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ctreed71
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Heartbroken

I went hunting for the first time in a month on one of the leases I hunt. When I pulled up to my first spot it has been clear cut. Repeated this two more times before I found a place to cut loose. It should be illegal to cut hardwood.

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It does suck, but person can do what he wishes with his property.

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Re: Heartbroken

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I went hunting for the first time in a month on one of the leases I hunt. When I pulled up to my first spot it has been clear cut. Repeated this two more times before I found a place to cut loose. It should be illegal to cut hardwood.
that sucks for you as a coon hunter but i hope your not serious about illegal to cut hardwoods. Thank God its not illegal or my family would have parished long ago. Im not a fan of clear cutting but when i buy something i want to do what i want with it.

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Re: Heartbroken

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I went hunting for the first time in a month on one of the leases I hunt. When I pulled up to my first spot it has been clear cut. Repeated this two more times before I found a place to cut loose. It should be illegal to cut hardwood.

Clean Cutting is good for training hound.

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Re: Re: Heartbroken

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Clean Cutting is good for training hound.
i said i wasnt a fan of clear cutting as far as coon hunting goes but it sure makes rabbit huntin fun. In a couple years deer huntin too

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Frustrating for coon hunting, but in the long run cutting, even clear cutting probably has 30-40 times the benefit for different animals at its different stages until it matures again, then a stand of old growth timber.

1 of the most renewable resources we have now that we're way smarter about it. Seems to be no shortage of mature timber no matter how many trucks are rolling into large mills every day. At least around here.

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Well said

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I don't blame a guy for what they do with their land or what they do for a living. I will never see bottoms like that again neither will my children or grandchildren. Those were woods that I walked with my grand dad and he walked with his. They can cut all the pines the want I'll even help. Lol

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My husband likes to hunt bear and deer in clear cuts.

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Pine will come back but it takes a life time for Hardwoods to grow back

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Ctreed71,
What part of Louisiana are you from? Beaver dams can be your best friend. The timber companys here in south Louisiana where I live will cut everything they can get too. The small amount of hard wood we have left is protected by beaver dams, making it to wet to get equipment too. But if the timber stays under water too long they will die anyway.

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mark nethery
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it's a shame

Our republican gov is cutting our state forest !! That's not right. Private ground you can't control but should not be cutting public ground to make state budgets. Pine make building lumber grows fast no problem . Hardwood used to make furniture and veneer. Is a shame like as been said take a life time to come back and,several life times to be like it was. where are The Teddy Roosevelt's of our day? Once states use public land for a line item on the budget it wide open. Our license and admission fees should pay for game wardens and such. If not cut back on them not 200 yr old timber my grandkids will never see. It shouldn't be about $$ something's should be treasured and are public forest are one of these things!

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Re: Heartbroken

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It should be illegal to cut hardwood.



My family owns a logging company and sawmill, I'm sure you love in a house with some sort of hardwood in it. Think before you speak. What do you do for a living?

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**** Loggers

a short story by Gregg Mackey

Standing with his eight year old son, Tim, Chuck Smith looked on as the logger felled the marked trees, limbed them up, skidded them to the header and sawed them into logs. Another logger loaded the logs on his truck. Fully loaded, the huge rig grunted and groaned under the weight of the logs as it pulled onto the roadway, slowly picking up speed as it headed away.

Chuck shook his head in disgust. "I never would have had this place built in the country if I'd known that the property across the way was going to be destroyed by **** loggers. Those beautiful trees they're gone!" exclaimed Chuck. "Is it wrong for those men to take trees away, Dad?" asked Tim. "Of course its wrong, Tim! Remember Earth Day? Remember how we learned that we can't live without trees? Of course its wrong, Tim, and I'm going to do something about it!" proclaimed Chuck.

Just then, Chuck remembered a group of people who had a booth set up at the park on Earth Day- they called themselves "Saviors of the Trees."

Chuck turned away, heading for his brand new spruce framed home. He walked up his yellow pine front steps, across his fir-decked front porch, into his poplar trimmed front room with its gorgeous wide pine floor, through his cherry cabineted kitchen, grabbing his checkbook off the hard maple counter top. Next, he headed up the birch staircase and down the hall to his oak wainscoted study, parking himself in his ash office chair at his walnut desk. He then tore a made-from-hemlock-pulp check from his checkbook and wrote out a hefty check to "Savior of the Trees."

Young Tim then entered the study. Holding the check in his hand, Chuck turned to his son and said, "Tim, this check is one way we can put an end to these loggers. We can't live without trees." Gregg Mackey, 1990

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Chris Snyder
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Lighten up

You all need to lighten up on this guy.

In essence, he just lost three hunting spots. It's frustrating, yes but I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to say he wishes all your families would starve or that your jobs should be taken away.

Dang.

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Big country I live around prairieville. Haven't seen a beaver dam in awhile. Lol

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Around here when they start cutting they don't stop! What was once a 30 acre woods is turned into a cornfield in a matter of months

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Fox91. No disrespect meant maybe I chose my words wrong. I have friends that are loggers and they feel the same way I do it saddens all involved because we know once it's gone it's gone forever. They replant pines. But like your family they have family to care for and bills to pay. In the old days they select cut hardwood now it all comes down. I'm getting old and even if they replanted oak I'd never live to see them mature. Once again if I offended you or anyone I apologize. Yes I live in a house and it has hardwood throughout. I work in the construction industry and we go through more lumber than one imagine.

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Just for the record, I wasn't trying to be hard on anybody, just pointing out a different point of view for anybody that cared to read it.

I'm surely a little biased on the issue because where I live it's a lot harder to come by decent fields for rabbit hunting or calling yotes, then it is to find hardwoods mature enough to produce mast. Lots of oaks. White oaks are notoriously slow to mature, red oaks are better, but coppiced rock oak stands can produce large amounts of acorns in as short as 7-8 yrs. We have a lot of rock oaks.

Replanting in pines by private landowners is non existent.....too good of money and other benefits from the existing hardwoods, except for a large pulp wood company around here that owned different blocks of timber planted in pine, so when they clear cut that's what came back up.

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I just keep cutting until its gone!

Look. At amount of Big timber 40 yrs ago and now. And then look at what timber cutters did at turn of century if not for a few conservasiest all virgin timber would have been gone. And that was chopping axes and cross cut saws and mules. We need to be smarter use pine and stain! Save hardwoods. I can eat my meals on pine or popular. Don't need to cut 200 yr old oak for my kitchen table looks better to me in woods!

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Didn't offend me, takes a lot more than that to even get a rise out of me. I lose "good" hunting spots due to our own cutting timber, but we do our best to cut tops up, still can tree a coon in the woods we cut. It'll make a young dog learn somthing.

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Galvez/Prairieville here.

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Re: Lighten up

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You all need to lighten up on this guy.

In essence, he just lost three hunting spots. It's frustrating, yes but I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to say he wishes all your families would starve or that your jobs should be taken away.

Dang.



No kidding. I'd be frustrated if I had just lost 3 hunting spots too. I doubt he meant to truly insult loggers, just venting.

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U can feel however u feel. But a big problem in this country is to many people think that they have a say in what other people can do wit theyre stuff.

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