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This question may be more fitting for the main section of the forum, but is this really a sport welcoming of children anymore? Pleasure hunting aside, I'm directing the question more toward us that enjoy the competition side of the game.

I'm repeatedly let down and disappointed at some point or another at almost every event big or small that I occasionally haul one or both my sons along. That would also include youth events. "The future, the future, the youth are our future." Furture what? What do we want them to be? Another 2 hour maniac? A back biting jealous hunter? Or maybe watch their dog get eat up by another alligator hound with no action taken? And before you think I'm a big politically correct baby, well think again. I realize it's a tough world FULL of colorful people of all sorts, but it should never be like I'm attending the local tough man contest. I can rarely get to the registration table before I pick up a new dirty joke or two, and then witness a master of hounds himself use the same language fitting of a local bar. And usually that's the main source of issue. The club president and master of hounds is "management" of sorts and anyone else helping at the club will reflect such management 9 out of 10 times, this is true in any business big or small.

I've intentionally waited until my oldest is at a point that he knows right from wrong and will follow my lead before anyone else, and he too is rarely persuaded to grab hold of ridiculous behavior or language. But still, it's a thorn in my side when my 9 year old is a better example than most grown men at a hunt.

So, do I give up hauling him? Who disagrees? I'd love some better examples, or heck even a club that's more like "Andy Griffith" and less like "Family Guy".

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Keep hauling them. The worst things that occur at hunts are pretty mild in the grand scheme of things...... Rarely do you see someone shooting up heroin or a gang murder on a cast. Maybe everyone out there isn't reading second Corinthians, such is life.

I do not understand the "let's harbor our children from society" mentality. But raise them how you want.

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You're way off base if you believe I'm attempting to harbor my kids from society. But it's real simple and for example, they will learn to cuss one day, but it doesn't have to be at the age of 5. If you think that's a good idea then you're part of the problem.

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I think there are way worse places than a clubhouse for any age. that is all.

I do not think I am the problem, but I would consider myself more Family Guy than Andy G.

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I think there are way worse places than a clubhouse for any age. that is all.

I do not think I am the problem, but I would consider myself more Family Guy than Andy G.

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That's a good question Adam. I take some teenagers pleasure hunting during kill season and sometimes during chase. Have not taken one to a nite hunt yet. A little cautious to do so. I'm not sure why, but just not sure about it. Jason and I took several kids and their dads back in January and had a great time.

Most clubs around here are pretty good as far as language and stuff, I'm sure kids hear more crap while at school or a ballgame. But I would be concerned at how adults act during the hunt. I had a great cast Friday night that any young kid could have been spectating on. I like those cast and I think kids would too.

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A coon club is a good place to take a young person. It is full of examples of all kinds. I'm sure every club has folks that are there that are good examples and the best way to keep and build upon these people is to thank them for being one of those good examples you look for.
My suggestion is to do that in a way that it makes the other people think. Ask the master of hounds if just before the casts are drawn out if you can thank the club. Take that time to address all the people there and say thanks specifically to the people who are good examples and list why you appreciate the way they act around your kids. Thank the club for the event. Don't mention the negative parts, people or the language and talk, just really reinforce the good parts and the key people. The foul mouth, dirty joke teller will be a little ashamed they are not listed.
We hardly ever see this kind of thing happen but positive reinforcement breeds positive behavior. The people will not change without someone taking a few steps to make it happen . Complaining can be one way but making people think about what they say by way of example is more effective. I have not always been a good example so I can use a reminder as much as the next. Thanks for the post, I think we all fall short of our potential to be good examples ,doesn't mean we shouldn't try .

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Pastor Mike, I think you're spot on, I tell ya, taking kids anywhere of any age can be a challenge in itself so big thankyou for doing so. I do so myself and it's usually always a great time.

Kelly, that's a great idea, if the leaders won't take the initiative to be mindful and appreciate the kids that came out there is no reason someone else can't.

I have been part of some really great ones as well. We had an excellent time at southern redbone days, most everyone took a second to speak to my son and he enjoyed himself, I wish we could have been there all 3 days. We even had a moment there on the Saturday night cast where things were headed a bit "sideways", but it wasn't much and one fella even made a point to apologize to my son after the hunt was over. I thought very highly of him for doing so, it wasn't really much to apologize for but just "noticing" a kid can go a long way, they want to be included. I think in all it was good, emotions run high often, and that's a good thing and in the end a good one for him to understand.

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I like to see youths at hunts...especially when they are handling a dog. I know there is usually some foul language at most hunts ...that happens most times when men congregate and there are not many women around to give them a stern look...lol
I grew up with a dad who was a sailor and talked like one...literally, and I have worked over twenty years in a factory where 90% of the workforce is men who do a lot of cussing and joke telling so I often let one slip sometimes when I am talking to other grown men but I try to be careful not to around women or children.
But thats just one part of this sport that could use some improvement in making things better for youths.
I will say this...we do have a lot of youth oriented hunts in the midwest and regardless of the registry the clubs involved really do a great job running them and we have some really big turn outs. But I cant help but think that a lot of the reason why is all the free stuff that is given as awards. I say that because these special youth hunts are the only time I see most of these kids come out to hunt. I rarely ever see them at other hunts where you get a yellow slip for a win. I think we had more youth participation 25 years ago in regular hunts than we do nowadays.
But back then there were no big youth hunts or special youth casts....and there were not as many video games, cell phones, and hundreds of channels of sat tv filling their lives either.
I admire anyone who gets their kids involved in the outdoors and hunting and fishing. There are many valuable life lessons that can be learned no where else.
Its a sad fact that some in this sport dont take special care when competing in a cast with a youth in it to actually teach them and mentor them while setting a good example...instead of looking at the youth and thinking here is someone that I can manipulate and beat easy. I have seen this happen several times and it gets me boiling mad.
I think that to get and keep youths more interested in this sport it would help if UKC created a yearly race based hunt program that is widespread and gives youths a chance to compete all year for a showdown at the end of the year for some really nice prizes and recognition. other registries do this and it draws and keeps youths interested all year verses just a month or two. I think if more youths had an option to compete in a youth cast at most hunts instead of just a few big ones...it might cause people to notice them and give them a little more respect because they see them more often....

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I enjoy takin my kids to the local clubs and for the most part these guys keep it clean in front of my kids. But I will never forgetme and my daughter was talkin to a guy I know at the club one evening and he was hunting a female. He was telling us all about her poor performance the night before. When referring to his female he called her a bitch dog. He said the word probably just a time or two but with my lil girl with me I thought he said it everyother word. I really hoped she wasnt payin close attention to the conversation and was pettin the dog. Well after we finished talkin and walked away my little girl said daddy you know why his dog doesnt hunt good? I said no why. She said well he keeps calling her a bitch and she dont like it. I tried not yo laugh anf explained why she shouldnt say that. All in all though they treat my kids good and they love to see them show up

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Lol thats a good story Jerry. I think with most people it is second nature to clean up your language when around kids. I know plenty that don't but people should if nothing else out of respect of the child and their upbringing.

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Ha! That's is a good one.

Foul language is just a small part, I don't want to get too hung up on that, just setting a good example is a good point made by Shane and a couple others. And acknowledging them in general usually.

I too wish more kids would show up at a hunt whereas the idea of a youth cast (much like a senior cast) was an option, even if it was just a simple trophy or annual race of sorts. I don't really want to make it easier to get a cast win, just be nice to get more to show up.

I wish I had the answer, all I can do is my part and drag mine along. But it only takes one real jerk to turn em off, that I can assure anyone and that's what needs to be avoided.

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But still, it's a thorn in my side when my 9 year old is a better example than most grown men at a hunt.

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Some of my best memories as a kid is going to the coon club with my dad. I agree it's more like family guy, but I think the kids do hear more in regular society or at local ball games. I beleive its about the kids knowing right and wrong from the beginning and us teaching them. Most of the time we have 3 to 10 kids that show up at meeting nights or at a hunt. They spend most of that time playing with each other. I love taking my son on night hunts. Most of the time people are a lot more respectful and watch what they do or say when my kids or wife is on the cast with me.

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i wish this post and some of the replys had a like button i take my kids to the clubs all the time they love it and like a few said wont learn any thing there bad that they wouldnt learn on the school bus lot of good folks at the coon club

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We don't have school buses here, just mules and wagon..kidding.

But it's likely more like a couple days on a school bus and everything from how to eat a booger to sex Ed will be covered. Ha.

I do really appreciate the numerous coonhunters that have done great things for my own kids and anyone else's. It's not always easy to give up your own hunting time to hold a youth hunt, take one hunting, donate a pup, etc. and I'm glad many folks are willing.

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I try and help the younger generation all I can,for the last many years I have given youngsters the time to hunt and own there own dogs,i figure if I can keep them in the woods hunting they will stay out of trouble.

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