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Lawsreddog
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Pokey Bill

Has anyone heard of this dog and how did he hunt. Yellow river bred?

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mmarshall
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Was told he was a very hard hunter was way before my time he shows up I think in timber jacks dads bottom talker also yellow river / bachhelders stuff bachhelders bow yellow river rocky was off bachhelders females litter mate sisters and he shows up in wrong way ace on both sides

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Pokey Bill was a hard hunting and quick tree dog,produced the same in his likeness,i had a little female that was fast and a hard tree dog back in the early 70's

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Danny McCleskey
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NiteCh Bruces Pokey Bill was born in 1956 and lived to be 15 years old. James Bruce of Baxter, Tennessee owned him. GrNiteCh Bruces Pokey Bill Jr. was born in 1962. James Bruce sold Pokey Bill Jr. to Maurice Adams of Delaware and he was advertised at stud for several years.

I got to know Mr. Bruce in the mid 1970's. He was one of the nicest guys in the Redbone breed. The cross of NiteCh Bruces Pokey Bill and GrNiteCh Bruces Pretty Polly was one of the best Redbone crosses back in its days.

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sox12
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I new you could add a lot more for Mr.James Bruce

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rpfirman
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pokey bill

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Chris Snyder
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Old School Lingo

Man I love that old school lingo. Reminds me of the stuff my grandpa used to say.

"I have never seen Poke have the bellyache" is this slang for not want to go hunting? Is a, "lantern dog" a shine dog? Or one that won't hunt out of your light? Some of you old timers, help me out.

Looks like a nice medium sized hound with good ear and built like a hound.

And RFD 1. When you actually had to know your mailman. Cool ad.

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rpfirman
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pokey bill

glad you like it.

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rpfirman
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here another with pokey bill

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Lawsreddog
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thx

for posting pic love this old stuff!!!!

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ahallada
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Timber Jack goes back to James Bruce's breeding on the top side. His daddy GrNtCh Toussaint Red Talker was out of Griggs Gal who was heavy line bred Pokey Bill. I'd say some of the speed we see in today's Redbones comes from this line of dogs.

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RedScorpion
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Pokey Bill wasn't pokey

quote:
Originally posted by ahallada
I'd say some of the speed we see in today's Redbones comes from this line of dogs.

Agree with is statement. I owned two out of Pokey Bill Jr. They were both lighter colored, big, leggy dogs that looked and acted pretty much the same. They both were hard hunters, semi on track, and good tree dogs. They had good track mouths but choked down on tree...And boy were they fast on track! As I recall, neither was very junky, either and started when they were nearly 2 years old. But then again we didn't take them out until they were 1.5 years old back then.

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Ben Harper
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Mark M

So
Shock, Big D, Deana all go back to wrong way ace, after him comes wrong way Billy and Pokey Bill IV.
I think this cross has been doubled up in the past what did it produce and what would you all think about doing it again?

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Ben Harper
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I guess if you look harder you can find your answers

I guess this would be a good example of doubling up since he's currently #1 on the reproducers list.

*******REDARROW POKEY BILL IV
*****WRONGWAY BILLY
*******BROOKS REDBROOK BELLE
***WRONGWAY ACE
*******PATTERSONS DELUXE BUSTER
*****WOLF CREEK SWEET ANNIE
*******NIGHTY NIGHT RED ROXIE

GRNITECH'PR' BLACK CREEKS STILL WATER CHASE

*******COMPAGNARI'S RJ
*****BLACK CEEK CASEY
*******BLACK RIVER BELLE
***WRONGWAY REBA
*******WRONGWAY BILLY
*****WRONGWAY SASSY
*******SKIPPY'S RED DUECE

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mmarshall
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Re: Mark M

quote:
Originally posted by Ben Harper
So
Shock, Big D, Deana all go back to wrong way ace, after him comes wrong way Billy and Pokey Bill IV.
I think this cross has been doubled up in the past what did it produce and what would you all think about doing it again?

Shock x Bree was a good cross there just now at the age some will start showing up at the hunts
Shane really likes that cross and is talking about taking Bree to a brother of shock

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Chris Snyder
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Question

Do you guys really think that a dog that has been dead nearly 60yrs still has any influence on the performance of a dog now?

It's an honest question. I was just wondering what people think. Is that possible?

Maybe, maybe with tight linebreeding over that time frame, yes...but there is so many other puzzle pieces introduced since 1961 that I would find it hard to believe.

That still doesn't take away from Pokey Bill. Without him there wouldn't be a lot of really good hounds. Just like a lot of other dogs from those times and before.

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Larry D Walker
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Pokey Bill

Andy Compagnari,,,probly has the most concentrated pokey blood as any...

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Pastor Mike
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Re: Question

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chris Snyder
[B]Do you guys really think that a dog that has been dead nearly 60yrs still has any influence on the performance of a dog now?

It's an honest question. I was just wondering what people think. Is that Possible?

I would say no, jmo.

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ahallada
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Re: Re: Question

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Originally posted by Pastor Mike
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chris Snyder
[B]Do you guys really think that a dog that has been dead nearly 60yrs still has any influence on the performance of a dog now?

It's an honest question. I was just wondering what people think. Is that Possible?

I would say no, jmo.

When a dominate reproducer shows up in a pedigree over 5 times I'd say it has a definite impact on the offspring 50-60 years later. Especially with frozen semen. We have dogs that go back to Timber Chopper over 70X.

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Chris Snyder
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Frozen

Definitely lowers the amount of puzzle pieces to get to that one dog.

Still, I can't tell you much about my own great, great, great, great, great, great grandpa and what traits of his I have. LOL

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Re: Frozen

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Snyder
Definitely lowers the amount of puzzle pieces to get to that one dog.

Still, I can't tell you much about my own great, great, great, great, great, great grandpa and what traits of his I have. LOL

All of his traits. You look and act just like him. (Line Breeding)

HA HA HA LMAO

I couldn't resist.

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Funny Man

Sent you a pm bud. Hope you are doing well.

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As much Pokey Bill as you will find

*******REDARROW POKEY BILL IV
*****WRONGWAY BILLY
*******BROOKS REDBROOK BELLE
***WRONGWAY ACE
*******PATTERSONS DELUXE BUSTER
*****WOLF CREEK SWEET ANNIE
*******NIGHTY NIGHT RED ROXIE
*BLACK CREEKS STILL WATER CHASE
*******COMPAGNARI'S RJ
*****BLACK CREEK CASEY
*******BLACK RIVER BELLE
***WRONGWAY REBA
*******WRONGWAY BILLY
*****WRONGWAY SASSY
*******SKIPPPY'S RED DEUCE
GRNITECH GRCH'PR' BAVARIAN RED FIN & GRNITECH GRCH'PR' BLACK CREEK STILL WATER CRASH
*******COMPAGNARI'S TONY
*****COMPAGNARI'S RJ
*******JIM'S SWEET GRINNER
***BLACK CREEK CASEY
*******COMPAGNARI'S LUKE
*****BLACK RIVER BELLE
*******COMPAGNARI'S KIESHA
*BLACKCREEKS LAST DROP JOSEY
*******LEWIS' NICK
*****LEWIS' JIM
*******ANN
***BLACK CREEK LAST DROP SISSY
*******WRONGWAY BILLY
*****WRONGWAY SASSY
*******SKIPPY'S RED DEUCE

Crash is owned by Andy Compagnari and Fin is owned by a guy here in WV.