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As Redbone breeders I would like everyones thoughts on what they are breeding for.
I have been hunting in the other KC quite a bit the past few years and it has got me on a different perspective as far as where are hounds need to be to compete at a larger level. On a weekly or monthly basic I compete with some of the most money winning dogs on a state and national level in my own backyard. As a matter of fact these money hunts average around 15 to 25 dogs for a one hour thru the week and this doenst count weekends. There are 6 clubs within an 120 minutes from my house that put on at least 2 hunts per month on average. After hunting with alot of these great "competition style hounds" I have learned what type of hound it takes to compete on a large scale because alot of these dogs have been competed or won at these hunts.

So I have two main questions.

1. What is your perpective on a good competition dog?

2. What are you breeding for?


Are you breeding for the reprocduers list?? TITLES??
I look at these dogs that are consistant in type. Dogs that can win or receive titles at local levels but rarely do well at "LARGER" hunts. I think these dogs are usually a "Linebred" type hounds.

Are you breeding coonhounds strickly for hunting purposes?? Something that may be tight on the ground, has a good/cold nose and can tree coon in almost all conditions. Otherwise known as "country coondogs." Dont care about titles or background of the dogs.

Are you breeding for that next big thing?? These dogs may or may not be linebred, titled, but there is something you think may cross good together to give you that"Freak" that can and will win big on a consistant basis. Usually these dogs dont have a high percentage of so called "Titled" dogs but usually will prouce a few decent dogs from the litter.

I understand that any dog can be produced from any litter but, I would like to know what everyones main goal is.

Here is my answer-
Competition style dog-
Has to be hard hunting AlONE or with company no return style dog, but does hunt a woods. Is hard hunting THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE HUNT not just on the first cut. I am talking about type of dogs that are struck and treed while yours is still taking a crap!! These dogs hunt fast in the woods not nessarily in a strait line, just flat out fast between trees and tracks.
Quick striking (not nessasarily on a coon) lol.
Quick to tree, but accurate. (For those that dont think this exsists come hunt with me at a couple of are moneys hunts, I will show you first hand a few dogs that do this in style.)
Independant- but not to a fault, must stay treed even if it is getting covered or not scared to back a dog if its not first on the tree and must hold tree presure.
Good Mouth- must be able to heard for a long way. Doenst have to be blow down tree dog but just loud.
Medium Nose- Doenst woller around- Can move a track once its struck. Some may say ,why not a hot nose, well these are usually not quick strike dogs and if condtions are bad or coons are thin they still need to be able to work a track out.

Breeding-
I personally am looking for that Freak. I'm not looking to get famous on a reproducers list or dont really care about a bunch of locally titled dogs. I do think we have the tools we need to start producing these style dogs within the Redbone breed, If we can work together and inter-twine some of our certain lines and dogs we have avaiable to us. My personal thoughts are that these "freaks" are not gonna come from generations of line bred dogs or 20 year old semen. If that was the case we would already have a strain of these style dogs that have won big. To the best of my knowledge I havn't seen any redbones on the front of magazines sitting in a truck, holding a $25000 check, or even in a final cast photo lately

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UKC Top Producers List
UKC Winter Classic High Scoring Redbone
Co owned with Richard Lambert

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2018 Autumn Oaks Grand 16
2018 Grand National Redbone
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There ya go throwing that freak word around again LOL

Can ya not think of something else to call them

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And some really good questions. Can't wait to see where this goes.

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Just trying to do a little promoting for ya Larry. Haha.

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UKC Purina Redbone of the year
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UKC Top Producers List
UKC Winter Classic High Scoring Redbone
Co owned with Richard Lambert

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2018 Autumn Oaks Grand 16
2018 Grand National Redbone
2018 Redbones Days RQE 1st Place

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Here goes.. Not trying to boast or think I did anything special. The best dog to come from my kennel was PKC Silver Champion Gr Nt Ch Jon Henry. He was from Gr Nt Banjo III and Nt Ch Mandolin. I only raised him to 8 weeks old, but do now own his littermate sister. She has 4 wins to grand. These dogs posses some of the characteristics you are looking for. They are fast in just about all the categories you listed for speed. The last hunt she did what you said, treed a coon in 30 seconds while another dog was crapping. True story. She can put points on the card. For a female she has a pretty good mouth. She likes to be by herself, will get some first strikes because she gets out fast. Will not babble at all. She barks , strike her, she locates don't hesitate, tree her. If she is far away and making a lot of noise, tree her, she will be treed. Will not leave a tree, will not start trouble. If she wins normally she does not make mistakes.. All her wins she had zero minus points. If coon are moving she can look really awesome. If coons are not she will get treed somewhere on something. She is a tree dog… Wishing she was a little more consistent but that might be because she has never really been pushed. I hunt maybe twice a week, three times if I am lucky. If she was in a competition hunters hands that hunted every day and every weekend at a hunt she would also probably be a silver champion. I breed for drive, mouth and fast tree dogs. Won't breed to a medium mouth dog, a babbler, a me too dog or one that can not get deep and fast. Also won't breed to one that comes back to me at all… I have GPS, I will find you. Also like to see titles on a dog. I want to reward the person that spends the time to do that by breeding my gyp to his stud. I like the Fireball studs crossed on to Sawbllade females. It is a winning combination. Check out the winners from Jan 1 until now. Are they all bred this way, no, but there are a bunch. Banjo III put the speed into my dogs. Working on some crosses now for the future. Pigeon River Jim to my Coon Bustin Mandy, a Sandy Creek Jake, Banjo III Mandolin mix. Last litter was Mandy II to Jon Jr, off Jon Henry and Mississippi. Will see how they turn out seeing they have my dogs top and bottom. Good luck to all in the game. Lucas Rereading your thread, the last comment is something to discuss. You said there was a track although cold. Why does a dog have to be considered cold nose just because they bark…. My dog would tree that coon, but would in most circumstances not say a whole lot until she is just about treed, while other dogs are boo hoping behind her. I think that smart dogs shut their mouth to gain on a coon and have heard this from some old-timers also. Just something to talk about. That might be a separate thread although. Rick Jayroe could probably give you a dissertation on the subject.

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I like the type you like as far as style
but you will find most freaks are line bred on at least one side of there ped a very large % of the time in all breeds and a lot will be on both sides just not the same family on both sides
But I want as close as I can to the freak but have good odds that it will reproduce its natural ability
Family breeding is are best way to achieve that it can take a life time to do and it's fun watching some one take something you had something to do with and put there own twist to it and have good results
So if you rate hounds from 10 - 1 and 10 being the best I'd rather have four or five 7 or 8 and dozens of avrege in my life time that are related then one or two 10 or 9 in a life time unrelated
Iam not a list guy hard to beleave I know but I'm really not just so happens the line I chose as my foundation is all over those list and it's fun to point out lol
I just don't like to through a hell Mary and cross my fingers I'd rather keep the chains moving till I score 😀

And who ever said you can't get big winner from line breeding they for got to tell Kate tj and Amos

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Originally posted by jkhutch
As Redbone breeders I would like everyones thoughts on what they are breeding for.
I have been hunting in the other KC quite a bit the past few years and it has got me on a different perspective as far as where are hounds need to be to compete at a larger level. On a weekly or monthly basic I compete with some of the most money winning dogs on a state and national level in my own backyard. As a matter of fact these money hunts average around 15 to 25 dogs for a one hour thru the week and this doenst count weekends. There are 6 clubs within an 120 minutes from my house that put on at least 2 hunts per month on average. After hunting with alot of these great "competition style hounds" I have learned what type of hound it takes to compete on a large scale because alot of these dogs have been competed or won at these hunts.

So I have two main questions.

1. What is your perpective on a good competition dog?

2. What are you breeding for?


Are you breeding for the reprocduers list?? TITLES??
I look at these dogs that are consistant in type. Dogs that can win or receive titles at local levels but rarely do well at "LARGER" hunts. I think these dogs are usually a "Linebred" type hounds.

Are you breeding coonhounds strickly for hunting purposes?? Something that may be tight on the ground, has a good/cold nose and can tree coon in almost all conditions. Otherwise known as "country coondogs." Dont care about titles or background of the dogs.

Are you breeding for that next big thing?? These dogs may or may not be linebred, titled, but there is something you think may cross good together to give you that"Freak" that can and will win big on a consistant basis. Usually these dogs dont have a high percentage of so called "Titled" dogs but usually will prouce a few decent dogs from the litter.

I understand that any dog can be produced from any litter but, I would like to know what everyones main goal is.

Here is my answer-
Competition style dog-
Has to be hard hunting AlONE or with company no return style dog, but does hunt a woods. Is hard hunting THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE HUNT not just on the first cut. I am talking about type of dogs that are struck and treed while yours is still taking a crap!! These dogs hunt fast in the woods not nessarily in a strait line, just flat out fast between trees and tracks.
Quick striking (not nessasarily on a coon) lol.
Quick to tree, but accurate. (For those that dont think this exsists come hunt with me at a couple of are moneys hunts, I will show you first hand a few dogs that do this in style.)
Independant- but not to a fault, must stay treed even if it is getting covered or not scared to back a dog if its not first on the tree and must hold tree presure.
Good Mouth- must be able to heard for a long way. Doenst have to be blow down tree dog but just loud.
Medium Nose- Doenst woller around- Can move a track once its struck. Some may say ,why not a hot nose, well these are usually not quick strike dogs and if condtions are bad or coons are thin they still need to be able to work a track out.

Breeding-
I personally am looking for that Freak. I'm not looking to get famous on a reproducers list or dont really care about a bunch of locally titled dogs. I do think we have the tools we need to start producing these style dogs within the Redbone breed, If we can work together and inter-twine some of our certain lines and dogs we have avaiable to us. My personal thoughts are that these "freaks" are not gonna come from generations of line bred dogs or 20 year old semen. If that was the case we would already have a strain of these style dogs that have won big. To the best of my knowledge I havn't seen any redbones on the front of magazines sitting in a truck, holding a $25000 check, or even in a final cast photo lately

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Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Big Time Britt
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Billy Jean
Gr.Nt.Ch-PKC Ch.-2015 PKC Red Days Champ Outlaw Cherry Bomb
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Breeze
Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man (over $20.000 won in PKC & CHKC) 2019 Southern Redbone Days Overall Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Mac
Gr.Nt.Ch. Classy Cali (Heavy Outlaw bred)
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Cat Scratch Fever
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Addiction
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Overdose
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Jinx
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Larry, how about "hybrid vigor". Do you like that term better? Jared, you need to sit down and talk to an old time chicken fighter. There is a difference between their "breeding stock" and the cocks that they take to the pit on Saturday. But they have to and are willing to do a lot of culling. Thoroubred breeders first came up with the term hybrid vigor. They will tell you the same things. Someone has to do the linebreeding in order for you to get the different "lines" to outcross so that you can come up with that hybrid vigor. If you just outcross and outcross, then you will go nowhere.

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Originally posted by Larry D Walker
There ya go throwing that freak word around again LOL

Can ya not think of something else to call them

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Hoosier Outlaw / Moonlight Redbones
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Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Billy the Kid
Dual Gr.Ch.- PKC Ch. Outlaw Timber Girl
Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Scarlett Fever
(((( Current Favorites ))))
2013 AKC Ladies World Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch.- PKC Ch- AKC Ladies World Ch Ky Moonlight Breanna
Gr.Nt.Ch. - PKC Ch. Ky Moonlight Woody
Dual Grand Moonlight Deana
Dual Grand Ch.- PKC Ch. Moonlight AfterShock
Dual Grand Nighty Night Amber
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Big Time Britt
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Billy Jean
Gr.Nt.Ch-PKC Ch.-2015 PKC Red Days Champ Outlaw Cherry Bomb
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Breeze
Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man (over $20.000 won in PKC & CHKC) 2019 Southern Redbone Days Overall Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Mac
Gr.Nt.Ch. Classy Cali (Heavy Outlaw bred)
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Cat Scratch Fever
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Addiction
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Overdose
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Jinx
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My thoughts were based off of opinions and what I think. It's not to argue.

I know that linebreeding take a good factor in keeping in good traits good traits in tact. Maybe me and you have different measures of "big hunt winners". To me breed hunt wins our not big wins, Again just my opinion.

Can anyone name me five redbones and there breeding that were in the final 4 of either a superstakes, national finals or world finals of the $KC. You and me both know that this is where the toughest competition dogs compete on a regular basis.

Everyone PLEASE stick to the post or I will delete it. I just asked two simple questions?

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UKC Purina Redbone of the year
PKC Redbone CH
UKC Top Producers List
UKC Winter Classic High Scoring Redbone
Co owned with Richard Lambert

GrNtCh PKC Ch One Chance Fancy- (Boone X Toadie)
2018 Autumn Oaks Grand 16
2018 Grand National Redbone
2018 Redbones Days RQE 1st Place

Walkers-
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Claremont PKC Legacy hunt Final 4
PKC Breeders Showcase Final 4

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I think everyone was expecting your answer Shane. Lol

My thoughts were based off of opinions and what I think. It's not to argue. Just

I know that linebreeding take a good factor in keeping those good traits good traits in tact. Maybe me and you have different measures of "big hunt winners". To me breed hunt wins our not big wins, Again just my opinion.

Can you name me five redbones and there breeding that were in the final 4 of either a superstakes, national finals or world finals of the $KC. You and me both know that this is where the toughest competition dogs compete on a regular basis.

You are steering away from my question. PLEASE stick to the post or I will delete it. I just asked two simple questions. That's all I want an answer on!!!

This post doesn't need any long explanations why or how in some long thesis. If you can't stick to the questions please stay off my post!!!

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Hoosier Outlaw / Moonlight Redbones
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My first 3 redbones raised from pup's were:
Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Billy the Kid
Dual Gr.Ch.- PKC Ch. Outlaw Timber Girl
Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Scarlett Fever
(((( Current Favorites ))))
2013 AKC Ladies World Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch.- PKC Ch- AKC Ladies World Ch Ky Moonlight Breanna
Gr.Nt.Ch. - PKC Ch. Ky Moonlight Woody
Dual Grand Moonlight Deana
Dual Grand Ch.- PKC Ch. Moonlight AfterShock
Dual Grand Nighty Night Amber
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Big Time Britt
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Billy Jean
Gr.Nt.Ch-PKC Ch.-2015 PKC Red Days Champ Outlaw Cherry Bomb
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Breeze
Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man (over $20.000 won in PKC & CHKC) 2019 Southern Redbone Days Overall Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Mac
Gr.Nt.Ch. Classy Cali (Heavy Outlaw bred)
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Cat Scratch Fever
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Addiction
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Overdose
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I can't name even one Redbone in any of those finals, which is my point!!


I didn't put this post on here to argue about it. I put this on here to find out if anyone has the same visions or interest as I do. I wanted to find out who these people or breeders so I can get with them in the future to try to achieve this type of hound for the future and what it would take to get there.

Also you are right as far as I havnt been breeding redones for twenty years, but maybe this breed needs bystanders and people like us to help achieve this goal. We don't care or have certain lines we are promoting. We just care about this style of hound.

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UKC Top Producers List
UKC Winter Classic High Scoring Redbone
Co owned with Richard Lambert

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2018 Autumn Oaks Grand 16
2018 Grand National Redbone
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...... but it needs bystanders and people like myself and others to achieve this goal. Cause we don't care about certain lines and stuff just a good competion style hound......

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You're right, we need a bunch of people just like you to hunt these hounds. A lot of us are getting way too old to keep up with them. I don't know if they are getting faster and going deeper or I am just getting slower.

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Let me first say that I am NOT a breeder but have ran dogs for 15 years and use to run Walkers. I have seen breeders in my area like Lee Logan and Larry Salmons produce great top notch competition dogs and they did this by line breeding with selective outcrosses. I am new to Reds but I will say this, the people that want to see this breed succeed in competition need to put some of the differences aside and start working together. There just aren't enough of us to be at odds and not work together. Sure we will have differences but we need to see the light at the end of the tunnel. This breeds got a lot of the pieces in place. This is a good topic in general as long as it doesn't go south lol.

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We have a male here out of UKC World Champion Big D and UKC World Champion Janice Joplin that I sure would like to back a good red female or 2 up to.

In my opinion this would up the odds of produceing a freak more than any red stud in the world.

Of course they would be xbred but methinks you need to think outside the box or stay stuck in the box.


Look at what Lil Red won in 1 yr of nitehunts.
Grand American overall Winner.
Walker Days overall Winner
Ukc World Ch Redbone
Akc World Ch Redbone 2nd overall
Russ Meyer Invitational $20,000.00 Winner
Many more smaller wins.

Bellar says she was the best coondog to ever shitt on this earth.lol

Look at Cali as another example.

Yep I see a trend here, boys if you want a freak, get outa the box. You can always bring them back in a few generations and maybe you will make a huge impact on the breed.

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Hutch, I got just what youre lookin for! His name is Book Em Danno. Guys, I don't know most of you and yall don't know me. Im new in Red dogs, but I know what it takes to win! You can call it bragging or blowing smoke, but ive got him right here in my kennel! Danno has right at 50 pups on the ground. 90% of these pups are starting at 6 to 7 months old. They are gamey, tree minded, hard going little suckers. Danno has well over 100 cws in 3 different registries in the past 3 yrs. And most of the hunts hes entered in have top hounds entered! I would have never thought in a million years that this short eared, raw boned, pencil tailed Redbone would win what he has, or better yet reproduce the same. His pups are still young, but they have bright futures. CHKC World Series Little League World Champion at 10 months and 3rd place full littermate! Ill take that any day. Sorry if I got off subject, just couldn't stand it. But I like just what you described, and I have it!

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First, I am not a breeder. Second,I love Comp. hunts. That being said What I am looking for in a competition dog. One that has a mouth that don't get covered up, Its dying for the tailgate to drop, drop after drop. Looking to get struck First and pushing to tree first. Also isn't afraid to be solo and put up with something wanting to push it off a tree. I am a very competive person. I don't want to waste my time going to a hunt with a lesser dog. I have in the past and I will not anymore. I am hunting a Walker. I don't have the cash to afford a Redbone of his caliber. He has holes like any other. However he is what I have been looking for in a Redbone. Guess what he aint Red. I have Females in my kennel right now both young and I have High hopes for. I really don't want to have to breed dogs but I haven't seen what I am looking for so I guess I will try and make my own. I am in Jared and Kasey. No offense to anyone and what they are doing. He asked and I gave my Two cents. Good Luck to all in 2016.

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Brent you got a lil red freak in your kennel now bud just hang on....

I like the cross Elvis mentioned,,,that sounds like the mix, I would definitely consider that cross...I like em that way !!!

My Freak is line bred on her top side,,Thru Rebel..

Good Stuff

Yall gave me a few more things to think about,,,,,

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A "good" competition dog can come in many different forms. I've seen me too dogs win casts and silent dogs win while their owners lie and pitched the dog in.. I've seen mean dogs win by not letting anything get treed. I have even seen dogs that don't hunt win because they would tree on layup coon while the cast walked to trees. Their owners all thought they had a "good" competition dog.
I've been lucky enough to have hunted with a few "Great" competition dogs and they all had three main qualities. They got struck quick, they stayed treed, and most importantly they had a coon.
Great competition dogs are always accurate. They can handle pressure at a tree and they get their fair share of 1st strikes.

Here is my definition of a perfect competition dog.
They get struck on a coon track the second they smell it . They stay open while tracking and move a track in the direction it goes. They will tree when they find a coon and allow for any other kind of tree dog to tree with them, yielding to a mean dog by backing away but always staying treed.
Silent, mean and split treed wins many hunts but they can not beat a dog that is quick strike , wide open , happy to tree and never take's a minus.
To answer your second question. I'm in it for the money !!! LOL LOL ROTFLMAO.

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Proud Breeder of the following dogs
GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,


They are bred with heart and drive included.

From a small kennel with Big results.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Someone has to do the linebreeding in order for you to get the different "lines" to outcross so that you can come up with that hybrid vigor. If you just outcross and outcross, then you will go nowhere.

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favorits ive hunted and or owned
grnt nighty nite moonlight kate rip
grnt moonlight pepper ann
Grnt jackpot Jackie rip
grnt rocky top jet
ntch moonlight katie rip
ntch moonlight madona
ntch beaver creek blaze rip
ntch moonlights dirty danny b.rip (ntch moonlight kink x ntch sawblade reckon)
Current
Grnt moonlight ky Kate (grnt ranger x grnt moonlight Kate
Ntch Pr beaver creeks easy peezy three 1st place wins (jet x moonlight Bree)
Pr beaver creeks moonlight coon buster ( moonlight shock x moonlight Bree)

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Location: Chattanooga, Tn
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Answer to question #1 seems to be..... a walker dog or walker style hound. You answered that one yourself by saying that they are the ones that are winning.

As for #2... It seems that there are quite a few breeding for or at least looking for a red colored walker dog.

I guess that it is a sign of the times. Everyone is in such a hurry that they are willing to take a big shortcut to get that red colored walker dog. They want to just breed a walker dog to a Redbone so that they will have red colored walker pups. Now I am not saying that is wrong. To each his own. Ukc has even started the X-bred so that you can do that.
Elvis I got your PM. Just bring Janis on down here and I will let you breed her to Boone.

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Kelly- I love it that you are in it for the Money!! Now thats funny stuff. Thats a good expanation of competition dog.

Kasey- I would like to know what type of females you would like to breed Danno to that you think would help fill his holes. If there is nothing you would like to change thats fine. I just thought I would ask.
I know the ones I have hunted have a few and thats what why Im looking to fill them. LOL

The female I'm hunting does alot of things right, she's independant, hunts good with or without company, moves around the woods pretty fast, but where I think shes lacks is mouth and tree quickness. Now she is only two so some of this quickness may come over time, but I'm never going to change her mouth. Thats her biggest holes that Im looking to fill.

I am looking for that dog that has an ability to find a coon fast by itself. Here is an example- The other night I went to a double header 1hour $KC hunt. I took Bruiser my 16th month male. I drew out with a 3 year old silver Ch Walker, and two other younger dogs. This is where these type dogs stand out. The Walker struck for 100 and Brusier in for 75. The other 2 was in for 50 and 25. Our first tree was at about 1000 yards. The other two were treed in, then minused for moving. The 100 struck walker was treed and then I treed brusier split for 100. The walker was scored and +200. He walked his minute and then recut cause the other dogs were still moving. We scored my tree and it was plussed for 175 which is less than 250 yards away from his and I walked my minute and recut. About the time I recut the Walker that was leading the cast was restruck and retreed at 550 Yards Away!!! Keep in mind that this dog was recut struck and treed in less than 6 minutes. We walked to his tree and he was plussed up. Brusier did get treed with 6 minutes to go in the hunt about 250 yards from the first coon but it was on a den. At this point it didnt much matter anyways, unless the walker would take minus. So the hunt ended and I lost. But the Walker had to walk his minute and recut before the time ended. So the hunt ended he was treed again at 850 yards from where he treed the second coon in less than 8 minutes. He had another coon when we retreived him after the hunt!!! This is the speed I'm talking about for those that dont know. The ability to find a coon Fast.

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Indiana
Redbones:
GRNTCH PKC Ch PR Hutch's Big Walnut Boone HTX DNA-V(Haze X Reba)-
2 Time UKC World Top 100
UKC World Top 20 (13th)
UKC Purina Redbone of the year
PKC Redbone CH
UKC Top Producers List
UKC Winter Classic High Scoring Redbone
Co owned with Richard Lambert

GrNtCh PKC Ch One Chance Fancy- (Boone X Toadie)
2018 Autumn Oaks Grand 16
2018 Grand National Redbone
2018 Redbones Days RQE 1st Place

Walkers-
NTCh PKC CH Jeb’s Finley River Peanut- Co owned with Bishop Stallcop
Claremont PKC Legacy hunt Final 4
PKC Breeders Showcase Final 4

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Before y'all get in an uproar, as I said above....to each his own. Oh, to be young again. When I was a youngster, I used to be in a big hurry also. In case y'all aren't old enough to remember....
Why do you think that PKC started their crossbreed category many years ago. You used to be able to single register a dog in whatever breed you wanted as long as they met the "color" standard. Well, I took L's Timber Sweetie's mother and bred her to Platinum Champion Million Dollar Elmo and registered the pups as Redbones. As everyone should know, I don't have secrets. I announced to the world what I was doing. The Redbone breeders thought that I was seeking an unfair advantage so they changed the rules. It didn't really matter as the pups did not make coondogs anyway so I went back to more traditional means.

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Not that Danno doesn't have holes cause they all do. But I would like to breed females that are equal or better then him, and undoubtedly those are rare. I like a dog with heart, you can't train that in. I want one to leave me running and don't stop till the meat is in the tree. Accurate and have brains, I hate a dumb dog, and I've owned a few. For those of you that are REALLY looking for the same, come see me. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

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Location: California
Posts: 1867

Here's a Redbone in a Final Cast pic from last Saturday night Jared. I'd take a few more just like her.

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Current:

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Cat Scratch Fever
(Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Aftershock x Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Breanna)
2016 Finished to PKC Ch. in one week!

Dual Grand Champion CHKC Ch., PKC Gold Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Glissens JJ Jr. x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Billy Jean)
4 Generations of All Grand Nite Champions!
Timber Jack 3X and Timber Chopper over 30X
2019 Southern National Redbone Days Champion
2016 National Grand Nite Champion Redbone
2016 CHKC Redbone Days Champion
2016 PKC Super Stakes Reserve Champion
2016 CHKC Elite Shootout Winner - Texas
CHKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

Bodacious
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Gr.Ch.PKC. Gold Ch.CHKC CH. Outlaw G-Man x Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. CHKC Ch., PKC Gold Ch. Classy Cali)


Past:
Gr.Nt.Ch.Ch. Dawns Timber Jack
1988 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner
1989 UKC World Champion Redbone
1989 Purina Outstanding Redbone Coonhound
#2 Historic Redbone Sire/ Top 20 All Breeds
American Redbone Coonhound Assoc. Hall of Fame

Gr.Nt.Ch. Bussrow Bottom Brandy II
1991 American Redbone Days Champion
1992 AKC World Champion Redbone
1992 ACHA World Champion Redbone
1992 Wisconsin State Champion
1994 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex
Produced 2 Nt. Ch. , 1 Gr.Nt.Ch. out of 2 litters and two Redbone Days Winners

Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. PKC Gold Ch. Layton's Classy Cali
2012 UKC World Champion Redbone and 7th Place Overall
2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 UKC World Champion Redbone Female
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - Goodsprings, AL
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Series Race - 3rd Place Overall
2016 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - New Albany, MS
2016 PKC Texas State Race Winner
2016 PKC Redbone Breed Race Winner
PKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Coffman's Smokin Red Buck
2016 UKC World Hunt 5th Place and World Champion Redbone
2016 National Redbone Days Overall Winner

Gr.Nt.Ch. Reinhart's Central Page
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Brandy II)

Gr.Nt.Ch. Too the Maxx
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Jenkins Crying Katie)
1992 National Redbone Days Champion

Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Ambraw River Rock
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Hersh's Huntin Red Kate)
1992 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex

Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle
1986 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner

Nt.Ch. Timber Mace
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack X Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle)
Mother of Gr.Nt.Ch. Babb's Hazel

Nt. Ch. Timber Shock
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Jessie)

Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Squaw Mountain Goldie
(Direct Daughter of Gr.Nt.Ch.Smokey Mountain Brandy)
1990 Autumn Oaks Best of Show Winner
1988 Indiana State Champion

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