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Your dogs are trailing and hunt time runs out. When you finally get to the two dogs treed, the other two came back in after time ran out, you see they had a possum up in the tree. Are these two dogs scratched for off game? I believe they shouldn't be because the hunts over before they got treed. You can't plus it if you seen a coon so there don't believe you can get scratched either. Had a guy arguing about it saying the two dogs are scratched. Don't think he's right.

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The only ones scratched are those that were treed during hunt time.

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The only ones scratched are those that were treed during hunt time.

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The rules say : (g) In Nite Champion and Grand Nite Champion casts, for running, treeing or molesting off game during hunting time including any time out periods prior to the expiration of hunt time.

They don't have to be treed to be scratched for off game, if they were running the possum during hunt time, they're just as guilty.

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It says prior to the hunt expiring though. How can you prove they were running a possum and just didn't end up falling treed on it. My dog wasn't the one that treed it I was just along on the cast. They took it back to the moh and I'm pretty sure he decided that they weren't scratched because the hunt was over before they got treed or something along those lines.

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No they are not scratched with the rule change. When the hunt is over they can no longer be scratched if they were not treed in during hunt time. Before the rule change it was under the authority of the judge, meaning they could be scratched at anytime until the card was turned in. So you are correct now, but he would have been correct before the rule change.

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I'm pretty sure Jeremy Kidd is right. He quoted the current rule. Thinking back on the world hunt, if memory serves me right, this is the rule that scratched Ead's BP dog. If I'm wrong about this I apologize.

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The rules say : (g) In Nite Champion and Grand Nite Champion casts, for running, treeing or molesting off game during hunting time including any time out periods prior to the expiration of hunt time.

They don't have to be treed to be scratched for off game, if they were running the possum during hunt time, they're just as guilty.

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Those dogs must not be worth a durn at running deer then because when mine get after one if they did tree off of it you would never know it because they are gone out of hearing.

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I took it as, on this cast, they admittedly knew what the dogs had done but thought they were fine because they were not treed during hunt time. In that case they're scratched. Also they very well could've switched from running a coon during hunt time, then heard the clock beep when hunt was over and decide to tree that possum, but you'll have to convince majority of cast of that.

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Joey has the correct answer.

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They should just take the word "running" off game out then, cause you can never prove it.

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I've never seen a dog or dogs switch off of coon and tree possum. Sounds to me like they were running that grinner.

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I've never seen a dog or dogs switch off of coon and tree possum. Sounds to me like they were running that grinner.

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It don't get answered any better than that!

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The problem with scratching them for running the possum is it had to be done while they were doing it. When the hunt is over everything on that card is deleted and considered scored. Unless they were treed before the time run out. So the dogs in this situations strike points are already scored and you cant go back to minus or scratch them under the new rule.

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Just curious, how do you know this 100% for sure?

Dogs will run everything else in the woods and switch off to a coon, but never switch off of a coon on a possum?

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The only ones scratched are those that were treed during hunt time.

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The only thing I would add to your response is the key word "declared" treed.

When time expires in a hunt; any dog that is declared struck but not declared treed is considered to have been trailing when hunt time ran out. And their strike points are deleted per 5 (e). Nothing else matters.

The only thing a dog might be subjected to after hunt time expires, when it comes to any further "scoring", is fighting. That's because dogs are scratched for fighting "under the authority of the judge". By rule the authority of the judge starts when they are handed the scorecard and it ceases when the card is returned to the official.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brian Gray
So let me get this straight. The hunts over and your driving back to the club house you have the judge rideing with you and you have your dog and the judges dog in the dog box in the same hole and a dog fight breaks out they still can be scratched? [/QUOTE
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So let me get this straight. The hunts over and your driving back to the club house you have the judge rideing with you and you have your dog and the judges dog in the dog box in the same hole and a dog fight breaks out they still can be scratched? [/QUOTE
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I'll play the what if game. Is a dog scratched of it fights with a dog that is not in a cast? For instance I have 2 dogs in my box. One I'm hunting and the other is just along for the ride. After the first drop I load my hunting dog in the truck with the dog that's along for the ride and they fight is the dog I'm hunting scratched? He didn't fight with a dog in the cast!?

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