Registered: Dec 2012
Location: Afton, Virginia
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We are currently lucky enough to be able to retrieve our dogs off posted land without the permission of the landowner as long as we are on foot and don't carry any guns, axes, etc when we go. Of course, this right is under fire to be changed and it seems like the biggest complaint is from landowners dealing with deer dogs getting on their land. A lot of these landowners are hunters themselves that don't want "their deer" being chase off their land and killed by somebody else. My question is this: what laws do other states have on retrieving your dogs off posted land? Are you supposed to call the game warden to get them or what? I'm not leaving my dog anywhere without getting it so what happens if our law gets changed? I figure the easy way out of this for VDGIF is to look at the laws of other states and see what is being done.

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It's a shame when a small group of people cause enough problems that they effect a larger group.


As long as fox hunting with hounds is legal I highly doubt Va will ever loose our right to retrieve...

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Va hunters need to support the Va Dog Hunting Alliance because they are the main ones fighting to keep our right to retrieve.

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Originally posted by bronco
Va hunters need to support the Va Dog Hunting Alliance because they are the main ones fighting to keep our right to retrieve.

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Registered: Oct 2013
Location: Maryland
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I own land in Virginia, but unfortunately...for now I live in Maryland. We do not have the so called "Right-to-Retrieve" law here. The way it works is when your dog gets onto private land you must contact the land owner to get permission. If you cannot or are unsuccessful then you have to call a law enforcement officer and he tries to get permission. If still unsuccessful, the LEO is supposed to go get your dog...but of course most of them wont.
My impression of Virginia is that they are pretty serious about trespassing. Here in Maryland it's a little different. I know from the land I own here that if you get caught trespassing and the land owner does not have the land posted with both signs and a vertical blue paint stripe between 2 and 4 feet off the ground on trees you will probably not get charged with trespassing. If you do get charged, it will probably get thrown out by the judge.
I own several large tracts of land in Maryland and was told by both a game warden and the local sheriffs dept. to post it both ways. Seems it gets to court and the defendant tells the judge he was looking for the blue stripes and didn't see it, or didn't see the signs and the judge will toss it.
The color designation for "No Trespassing" in Virginia is silver. Three horizontal red paint stripes on a tree is a property line designation.
The absolute best advice I can give anyone that may find themselves in a position of not having right to retrieve one day is to go around to as many landowners as you can and ask if they mind if you go get your dogs. Most always agree and you don't need written permission for it either. Once you explain to the landowner that you are trying to get permission ahead of time "just in case" so you wont wake him up in the middle of the night they usually agree no problem.
Personally, I would never say no to anyone trying to get their dog back, in fact I have gotten dressed and helped them. But not everyone is this way and many people believe that owning your own land is a sovereign right and right to retrieve should not exist. That must be respected and so it's a good idea to always ask for permission ahead of time. Even if they still say they don't want you to at least now they know who you are, that you are not a bad guy and will probably call you if they find your dog. My first words to any landowner {and I own more land than most people around here} always starts out the same..."Howdy, I need to talk to you and I am sorry for the trespass....."

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Originally posted by AngelOfDeath
They was also the same outfit fighting to keep us from being able to hunt on Sundays.I wouldn't give them the time of day but then that is me.

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In Mo we also have the right to retrieve our dogs . You have to let the land owner know you are going in to get them , if they refuse then you call your sheriffs dept & they come out to let the land owner know you are going to get your dog .

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They was also the same outfit fighting to keep us from being able to hunt on Sundays.I wouldn't give them the time of day but then that is me.

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as far as i know here in wv we have the right to retrive but can't take a gun with ya

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as far as i know here in wv we have the right to retrive but can't take a gun with ya

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Sorry hillbilly56 but WV does not have the right to retrieve. States it right in the rule book.

Now you only have to have written permission to hunt on land that is fenced or posted. So if a dog goes on land that is not fenced or posted you have every right to get your dog.

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Originally posted by nkisamo1
Sorry hillbilly56 but WV does not have the right to retrieve. States it right in the rule book.

Now you only have to have written permission to hunt on land that is fenced or posted. So if a dog goes on land that is not fenced or posted you have every right to get your dog.

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Originally posted by HOBO
It's a shame when a small group of people cause enough problems that they effect a larger group.


As long as fox hunting with hounds is legal I highly doubt Va will ever loose our right to retrieve...

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Originally posted by deadeye ruck
You'll wish you had when our rights disappear. There are few legislative advocates for hound hunting in our state. Let me suggest that you get over their support of not being able to hunt one day out of 7 and support them or you may regret it.

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most people around here will give ya verbal permisson but not writtein permisson because to many sue happy people that want ya to let them hunt then they get hurt they wanna sue ya most states let the dnr make up thier own laws such as the writtein permisson thing not thier land but they can write ya a ticket for tresspassing which i think is wrong only way they should be able to write a ticket if the land owner calls and says they have a tresspasser on thier property and there is alot of hunters that own ground that are just as bad as city folks that by ground in the country and plaster posters up afarid somebody gonna step on thier ground i just had ta rant abit

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They was also the same outfit fighting to keep us from being able to hunt on Sundays.I wouldn't give them the time of day but then that is me.

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In Mo we also have the right to retrieve our dogs . You have to let the land owner know you are going in to get them , if they refuse then you call your sheriffs dept & they come out to let the land owner know you are going to get your dog .

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most people around here will give ya verbal permisson but not writtein permisson because to many sue happy people that want ya to let them hunt then they get hurt they wanna sue ya most states let the dnr make up thier own laws such as the writtein permisson thing not thier land but they can write ya a ticket for tresspassing which i think is wrong only way they should be able to write a ticket if the land owner calls and says they have a tresspasser on thier property and there is alot of hunters that own ground that are just as bad as city folks that by ground in the country and plaster posters up afarid somebody gonna step on thier ground i just had ta rant abit

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Originally posted by msinc
I don't understand guys like you...and your attitude towards others is exactly the reason there is always somebody trying to take something away from us.
Let me see if I can get this straight....you think its wrong to get a ticket for breaking the law and trespassing without written permission on land that you don't own...you think it is the right thing to do to "go get your dog no matter where he is"...you believe people that bought, paid for and continue to pay the taxes on land they own are "bad" for feeling this way...and YOU needed to rant a bit?????????
One thing that you have made clear...you don't know right from wrong. You'll really rant when you lose your privilege to hunt and still not get it.

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i have no issue with contacting someone to get a dog off their land, but the bigger issue is getting in touch with them. people dont but their info on posted signs like it should be and how many do you think would like being woke up at 2 am for permission to get a dog back. how do you think that conversation would go? also what am i supposed to do, get out the gis and located a phone number to get a dog? yea that last DGIF meeting they had with the great Aaron on the podium speaking, what did he do load up a bus of people and pay them off that are not in favor of dog hunting? there has to give an take and in my opinion they take a harder stand on not wanting to give more than anybody. proposing a permit system, you land caught on someones elses land you get warning, fine, then lose hunting license. come on, you could lease 1000 acress in a block and your dogs finds him way on to an adjoining 30 acres and you would have to go through this BS. my club and I are a big supporter of VAHDA, hope they keep working and stay on top of it, i'm with them no hunting on sunday; everything needs a day of rest.

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if i deserve a ticket i have no problem with it maybe you didn't understand or i didn't post what i meant i don't think all people that own land are bad but sure not like the old days and people will give you verbal and not writein permisson then the dnr gives ya a ticket as far as my dogs go yes i will get them not being smart but i was brought up way old school that lot's of people nowdays will never understand and by the way do you let others on your property to hunt

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i'm with them no hunting on sunday; everything needs a day of rest.

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that is great that you allow people to hunt i think you took my post wrong i never just go on peoples property without asking only place i never call or ask is the farm across the fence but we hunt on each others ground for yrs but not bad in my area here but lot's people will just up and shoot your dog for being on thier property im the only coon hunter in this community and nobody messes with my dogs if they get treed close to thier house they know it's me but i do have a problem with the dnr makeing up laws to give ya a ticket for tresspassing when they don't own the ground and the land owner gave ya verbal permisson but belive but if i go to strange property and my dogs get where they shouldn't be im gonna go get them misnc i think what is makeing our privalge to hunt is there are way more of the tree huggers and animal rights people that want to stop hunting and let widlife get over populated and die off from diease

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that is great that you allow people to hunt i think you took my post wrong i never just go on peoples property without asking only place i never call or ask is the farm across the fence but we hunt on each others ground for yrs but not bad in my area here but lot's people will just up and shoot your dog for being on thier property im the only coon hunter in this community and nobody messes with my dogs if they get treed close to thier house they know it's me but i do have a problem with the dnr makeing up laws to give ya a ticket for tresspassing when they don't own the ground and the land owner gave ya verbal permisson but belive but if i go to strange property and my dogs get where they shouldn't be im gonna go get them

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The reason that the Dog alliance was opposed to Sunday hunting in Virginia has to do with a study that showed that after passing Sunday hunting the next law that many states passed was banning hunting deer with dogs. This is an issues that we must all stand together on because there are many people that want to do away with all hound hunting and won't just stop at deer or fox hunting with hounds.

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