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My young male is a little gamey. I think has run 2 red fox lately. We don't see any grays anymore and I hear it is because of the high yote population around us. What would a red run like if being pushed by a single hound. I am not shy when it comes to telling you all about my dogs so let me hear it. Thanks Ron Jackson

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I've always been told they run like a rabbit in a circle just a heck of a lot bigger circle than a rabbit. Greys will run more of a straight line but they will also run up in trees that are leaning & jump out. I also would like to here other opinions on this, cause I'm not a 100%

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Whats the chase look like on the garmin?

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That's what he ran it like. Larger circle than a rabbit with a couple small loops thrown in, then a small circle out in a brushy field then back in the woods. Took a chance and felt it was a fox so I tapped him and he quit it and hit a coon and came treed. I have to add that he was opening a good bit more than normal.

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Yes they will run in big loops that I say would be about the size of a 20 or 30 acre tract and will loop inside the big loop and make what I call figure 8 looking patterns or S looking ones. Will also, if they get enough lead on the hound go right back down there on track then cut off to the side before they meet the hound head on.

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Sounds like a red, ive seen them straight line too then start the circles, depends on where they are when the chase starts, treeing a grey up north here is very very rare they are the hardest animal to tree and if you have a dog that can do it, well lets just say I wna come for a hunt!
Sounds like you got lucky on tappin him thats always a hairy line when you know its probably trash but not sure

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Steve that is almost to a T what the track did. Yep sometimes you have to take a chance. It was so much like the one he ran two nights before in the same woods I felt it was my best bet at the time. He has been a little gamey but not hard headed about it.

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Well my first seven years of running hounds were predominantly running fox hounds. We only ran coon hounds from November through January. The rest of the time we run fox hounds two day per week.

My experience went something like this; A trailing red fox track may twist and make small loops until the dog gets them jumped but once jumped a red fox runs big circles and by big circles I mean they run circles 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile wide. At least in this hill country where I grew up in and still live today they do. A red fox in this country tends to prefer to run ridge tops, then cross a big hollow and run the opposite ridge top eventually circling back to where the track first began.

Now a grey fox would twist in the brush very similar to a rabbit track, but once jumped they would sprint out in the open for maybe 400-500 yards and then work their way back to the brush and briars to slow the hounds down. They seemed to run very similar to a big (what we call) woods rabbit. Im guessing if you dog was running a fox it was probably a grey. But if it was only trailing and not really pushing on the track, it could have been either a red or a grey.

And I agree with dchartt. If you find a hound that can tree a grey fox I would love to come for a hunt as well. I only seen one grey fox treed in those seven years and it was a sight chase to the tree. I mean the dogs were about to catch him on the ground. Of all the nights I sit a listened to our dogs run a grey fox, I don't remember them ever tapping trees. The dogs ran like beagles, it was just that the circle was just a little bigger. So I'm one that doesn't really buy into the fact that when a coonhound is trailing and doing a lot of tapping and not getting treed, they are trailing a grey fox. At least our fox hounds never tapped, but again they were track dogs and not tree dogs.

Just my two cents, and that won't by much, LOL!

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This is some good information I have had hounds that I know was running something just wasn't sure what most of these times I suspected a fox & usually thought a red one since its been years since I have seen a grey one, but what does a yote run like? Do they run similar to this or completely different?

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Well there was no tree tapping going on with the 2 tracks that are in question. I wish I would have saved the tracks but it didn't enter my mind at that time. If there is another I will do that and I am sure there will be. I guess it could have been a gray also it is just no one that I am aware of has sold a grey to our buyer for a number of years and I don't see them any more but do see reds. Both those tracks looped all over that end of the woods and looped within themselves . I will let you all know but I might wait till our season comes in so I can break on bad and reward on good when the time comes. I would also like to add that this is where this forum is so important to so many. How else would I be able to get so much info from so many different locations and it be shared with so many others. Thanks guys!

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I agree with Rocketman on his description . A Red run seems to move out faster and further where greys tend to run more like a rabbit .

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A yote and a red will sometimes run much the same, our coyote dogs will run either and sometimes you dont know until you see em.

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Is it agreed that it was probably a grey and not a red? It did not line out across a clear field. When it did cross an open area it went into another brushy woodlot and that is where I tapped him. Can you break for one and it will take care of both?

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
A yote and a red will sometimes run much the same, our coyote dogs will run either and sometimes you dont know until you see em.

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Jackson you hunting blue dogs or was it red. just kidding

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Sum wonte admit thier dogs runnin a deere.

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No he is not running a deer. I know all too well how he runs a deer! Wish it was ..

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I say grey . I think it's easier to break from deer then fox . J.M.O

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If you read my thread starter you will see I am not afraid to admit when my young dogs or older dogs are doing wrong. I don't take kindly to your remark as I have to think it was aimed at me. Thank you to all that have commented in a positive and informative manner.

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