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JB PITCREW
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 Competition Hunters please explain this...

I'm not a competition hunter,never have been,Don't have a dog in the hunt.

Can someone please explain to me how the 7th place overall,high scoring World Championship Enlish male placed like he did being in a dead cast with a total of 75-?
It was my understanding that in UKC hunts the dogs must have plus points to win....just looking for a clarification on this ruling because I don't know.
Thanks,
Michael Jameson

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Clif Owen
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I am pretty sure in these cases; it is determined by previous casts (wins/scores)

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JB PITCREW
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I don't think that is possible, out of the 6 English dogs to win/advance in round #1 the Mo dog had the lowest score of 175+

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Home of Previous #1 Reproducing English Coonhound 15.49%
GRNTCH GRCH 'PR' Briar Valley Nite Prowler "semen stored”
GRNTCH CH Dee's Nite Prowling Blitz "semen stored”
'PR' Northridge JoJoe's Blue Thunder
'PR' Northridge Icky’s Old Sandy

ENGLISH HOUNDS SINCE 1969....If you breed for papers instead of traits,You deserve what you end up with...Kelley Stagner

RIP........................................
GRNTCH GRCH Briar Valley Nite Prowler
GRNTCH GRCH Wilcox's Thunder JoJoe
GRNTCH GRCH Northridge Red Loopy
GRNTCH GRCH Northridge JoJo's Feebie
GRNTCH CH Dee's Nite Prowling Blitz
GRNTCH CH Northridge Jo Joe’s Icky

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I judged Thursday night andtheway Iunderstood it in the judges meeting was that if you made it through both rounds Thursday night none of that really had any bearing on anything, you had to win your cast and tree a coon by yourself, Friday night was like starting fresh with zero.Hope that helps.

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He had advanced farther with cast wins etc.

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JB PITCREW
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If he was the cast winner with the least amount of minus in round #3 and still considered for placement, then why wouldn't he hunt in the 3 dog cast of round #4?
I'm still lost on this one...

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GRNTCH GRCH 'PR' Briar Valley Nite Prowler "semen stored”
GRNTCH CH Dee's Nite Prowling Blitz "semen stored”
'PR' Northridge JoJoe's Blue Thunder
'PR' Northridge Icky’s Old Sandy

ENGLISH HOUNDS SINCE 1969....If you breed for papers instead of traits,You deserve what you end up with...Kelley Stagner

RIP........................................
GRNTCH GRCH Briar Valley Nite Prowler
GRNTCH GRCH Wilcox's Thunder JoJoe
GRNTCH GRCH Northridge Red Loopy
GRNTCH GRCH Northridge JoJo's Feebie
GRNTCH CH Dee's Nite Prowling Blitz
GRNTCH CH Northridge Jo Joe’s Icky

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Top 20 was determined by how you finished in the cast no matter what your score first in cast scores place 7 cast 7 places then they went to second in cast there were 7 second place dogs so that was 8-14 place 3rd in cast there where 5 of them because of scratched dogs then they went to 4 place in cast to get the final two dogs for top 20 it sucks because we had 275 circle and some of the other dogs place ing much higher had minus I no that goes against normal rules but that was there top 20 format and guess it has been that away for years but it sure made you fight like hell to not be 4 th. Lol

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quote:
Originally posted by JB PITCREW
If he was the cast winner with the least amount of minus in round #3 and still considered for placement, then why wouldn't he hunt in the 3 dog cast of round #4?
I'm still lost on this one...


Because UKC rules states you must have plus points to advance.

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quote:
Originally posted by T Burton
Top 20 was determined by how you finished in the cast no matter what your score first in cast scores place 7 cast 7 places then they went to second in cast there were 7 second place dogs so that was 8-14 place 3rd in cast there where 5 of them because of scratched dogs then they went to 4 place in cast to get the final two dogs for top 20 it sucks because we had 275 circle and some of the other dogs place ing much higher had minus I no that goes against normal rules but that was there top 20 format and guess it has been that away for years but it sure made you fight like hell to not be 4 th. Lol


T Burton is correct. A dog must have a plus point cast win to advance. But when it comes to placing those dogs that did not advance, they are placed by first in cast scores, followed by second in cast scores and so on....

Follow this link to Placing Dogs at the World Championship.

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/News...9152015100400AM

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JB PITCREW
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Thanks for the explanation and link.

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Home of Previous #1 Reproducing English Coonhound 15.49%
GRNTCH GRCH 'PR' Briar Valley Nite Prowler "semen stored”
GRNTCH CH Dee's Nite Prowling Blitz "semen stored”
'PR' Northridge JoJoe's Blue Thunder
'PR' Northridge Icky’s Old Sandy

ENGLISH HOUNDS SINCE 1969....If you breed for papers instead of traits,You deserve what you end up with...Kelley Stagner

RIP........................................
GRNTCH GRCH Briar Valley Nite Prowler
GRNTCH GRCH Wilcox's Thunder JoJoe
GRNTCH GRCH Northridge Red Loopy
GRNTCH GRCH Northridge JoJo's Feebie
GRNTCH CH Dee's Nite Prowling Blitz
GRNTCH CH Northridge Jo Joe’s Icky

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