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coonbone
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Hawk,or Chief?

If you could relive the eighties,would you want a pup out of Hawk,or Chief,and why?

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Hawk! he is still the highest percentage reproducer the bluetick breed has ever had. more balance hounds came from this line of dogs imo

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quote:
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Hawk! he is still the highest percentage reproducer the bluetick breed has ever had. more balance hounds came from this line of dogs imo

might want to check your %'s Eddie. he wasn't even the 3rd highest even when he was still on the list. scout is higher then hawk. I believe the manns spanky dog was aroun 18%. bullet and rambo2 are in the 12's.

to answer the question...............depends on what female lol

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quote:
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might want to check your %'s Eddie. he wasn't even the 3rd highest even when he was still on the list. scout is higher then hawk. I believe the manns spanky dog was aroun 18%. bullet and rambo2 are in the 12's.

to answer the question...............depends on what female lol

I might be mistaken on percentages then lol...

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yep. he was at 10.6

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quote:
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yep. he was at 10.6

overall on any gyp who do you think had better balance?

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never owned anything directly off of hawk. both have their place and made their mark. now days people claim chief through treedogs but didn't hawk and scout also? I do know that chief produced some track driving machines also and im sure hawk did as well.

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never owned anything directly off of hawk. both have their place and made their mark. now days people claim chief through treedogs but didn't hawk and scout also? I do know that chief produced some track driving machines also and im sure hawk did as well.

I agree!

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Jm265
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What did Hawk look like?

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southernthunder
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Anyone got an old pic of Hawk?

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coonbone
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to answer the question...............depends on what female lol [/B][/QUOTE]

If they were bred to the same female.Which one would you want to build your kennel off of?

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John Carroll
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I liked pups out of Hawk.

He threw well balanced, good looking dogs that the average coon hunter could train.

Most of them weren't too trashy and were sensible.

Chief threw a lot of nice, well balanced dogs too.

I think Hawk dogs were superior in the mouth department to Chief dogs, on average.

I didn't like Scout pups nearly as well.

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to answer the question...............depends on what female lol

If they were bred to the same female.Which one would you want to build your kennel off of? [/B][/QUOTE]

lol it would still depend on the female................

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If they were bred to the same female.Which one would you want to build your kennel off of?

lol it would still depend on the female................ [/B][/QUOTE]

The females name is Angel,she is sixty pounds,loud,full of heart,and desire,go younder,stay put tree dog.Dark in color,with long ears,and shes out of Roger Little Mac,and Sebastians Penny.

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coonbone
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know one has mentioned independence,or packing.What about drifting,layups,and hyper?

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I'd probably go with chief then since he would be a shorter drive lol. don't think you could go wrong with either and nobody would know until the pups where hunted which would cross best with the individual female right?

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UTCHMANS HAWK

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coonbone
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Is Davis Blue Scooter a litter mate to Hawk?

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coonbone
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Found the answer to my question.Scooter was out of Rebel,and Sadie Mae.Hawk was out of Rebel,and Carol.

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yep......I believe hawk was bred to Sadie may also though?

scooter was a bro. to harp. rvr. joe, castleberrys rebel 2

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quote:
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UTCHMANS HAWK

sure was a good looking sucker!

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John Carroll
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quote:
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know one has mentioned independence,or packing.What about drifting,layups,and hyper?

I would definitely give Chief the edge on layup ability by a strong margin.

Probably independence by a little.

But his pups were way more likely to be hyper than Hawk's.

And as for tracking ability and drifting, Hawk all the way.

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david woofter
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Pups

Heck I will just take one out of both dogs. Both dogs made their mark in my opinion. Dave Woofter ( Bristol Ridge Kennels ) P.S. I am hunting one out of Zeb and two out of Jobe so I like the Uchtman bred Hounds. The reason I bred my Lou female to Ranger is he has both dogs in his Ped. Good luck with your hounds.

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