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I think one hour is to long to find your dog if the cast is held up that long it's almost impossible to get in hunting time and make deadline. Today with tracking I would think 30 min should be long enough!

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I think one hour is to long to find your dog if the cast is held up that long it's almost impossible to get in hunting time and make deadline. Today with tracking I would think 30 min should be long enough!

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With go deep independent dogs you may have to wait on a couple of dogs then forget ever making deadline!

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The go deep out of pocket dogs should not cost the whole cast to not make deadline

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JMO but that would be a disaster. I hunt in places that it will take 30-45 minutes just to get back to the truck, and that is when the water is down as it is now. Throw in some of those very thickly covered briar patches and an hour is not near long enough, but I do agree you can't wait any longer.

From my MOH experiences, the problem is not the hour rule, but how far the clubs allow casts to travel to hunt, because of buddy arrangements, and the cast themselves. I have seen cast sit at the club house for 2 hours after drawing out before leaving on their 30 minute ride to the woods to hunt. They are killing themselves....not the rule.

The deep going dog can't cost the whole cast a chance to make it back. Use the rule, set the place to meet, wait the hour, and if not back, scratch the dog and continue on your merry way. Only real problem there is it might be the guides dog, and then you may run into a having to go back to get another guide, and in this day and time of hunting, there may not be one available.

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Don't call time out after every tree keep turning loose.

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IF you have big timber area, just make a tree & cutem again. Let the dogs find a coon & tree another one. Takes too much time to move to different area all the time. Some people think they have too move after every tree to come in with a good score. I figure if it takes 5 hours to get a 2 hour hunt in, you're doing way too much moving. 1 hour timeout to gather dogs just ruins the hunt & makes everyone wait at the clubhouse for all to return. Take care, Ron.

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Here in the mountains 30 minutes would be impossible just about all the time all we did was turn a 2 hour hunt into a 3 hour hunt to many ways to call time out and to much time moving between buckets with the 1 minute rule babblers can stay in longer and not minus out in my opinion if you.want to.shorten the time it takes to hunt 2 hours tighten the rules up just my opinion but than what do I know

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Here in Indiana we have patch woods no big timber I wish we did you cant cut again in a 5 or 10 acre woods and no club members guid so you have to drive a hour just to cut loose I know different states have other circumstances it just gets aggravating sometimes

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Here in Indiana we have patch woods no big timber I wish we did you cant cut again in a 5 or 10 acre woods and no club members guid so you have to drive a hour just to cut loose I know different states have other circumstances it just gets aggravating sometimes

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One hour is a long a time sitting there waiting on someone to get back to the cast do we really need to be holding everyone up that long I just think it's to long on all reasons

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i agree with berger and with rolin blues. the problem is alot of dogs now days dont know how to continue hunting after treeing one coon. its all about treeing a hot pop up and then moving now. i personally hate it. dogs are being bred more and more for this trait and its taking the coonhunting ability out of our hounds. Gone are the days of the dog with a good nose hunting for a coon track, trailing it and treeing with accuracy. My dogs are far from perfect and do get beat but i can take them hunting any time of the year and still tree a coon.

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Thousands of different scenarios can be posted about that rule. Sometimes it's unfortunate when a dog can't be gotten within the hour. I've waited, I've gone after a dog, I've gotten back in time, and I've missed getting back in time. Things happen, but I think it's a fair rule. I've always made the suggestion to a handler if you see that you're not going to make it back before the hour is up to give a courtesy call so the cast can move forward. Rock Johnson has tons of experience with these situations and if he thinks it's fair, then it probably is. Rock Johnson For President...........of something.

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Here in Indiana we have patch woods no big timber I wish we did you cant cut again in a 5 or 10 acre woods and no club members guid so you have to drive a hour just to cut loose I know different states have other circumstances it just gets aggravating sometimes

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Make the deadlines later. Cant have but 7 ukc hunts a yr. Surely to crap a 5am deadline want kill a feller 7 nights out of a yr. I let the hunters tell me how late they need a deadline. I to despise cutting loose an calling time. Thats what uses the most time. Ive had the hr get me. Aint hard when you hunt here. Garmin or not. Cant drive everywhere and you want run the hills. I seen it catch lots of people. Heck ive been able to hear mine and it still catch us.

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Who says you can't cut loose again in a 5 or 10 acre patch? Are you implying there is only one coon in a small patch like that? When I lived in N.C. I had a little 4 acre patch I hunted in and would turn loose right from each tree and my dog would go tree another one in the same patch.Back to the one hour some places I hunted in N.C. it would take you 30 minutes or more to get to the tree when they treed and would only be 100 yards off the road.It was that thick.Quit wasting time at the club house and quit stopping at the store on the way to the woods.That will save you time right then.If it was your dog would you want 30 minutes only? I really doubt that.Another thing just because of a tracking system telling you where they are that don't mean you will have your dog caught in 30 minutes or a hour.Why do people always want to change the rules?

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Randy go to the lake it's hard to get in and out in a hour, we do have big woods here. And your wanting to change a rule that you are only thinking about your particular woods. Go to tenn or Kentucky where it might take you 1.5 hrs just to get a dog that's 800 yards deep

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Why do some always want to change a rule to fit their type of dog or their particular situation? There are a lot of different types of dogs and different hunting environments in this great country of ours. The rules have to accomodate all of them, not just one particular type or area.
Why don't they make a rule that states that all walker dogs have to hunt in their own categorys. It is unfair to everyone else to have to hunt against them.

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They look at Bill Belichick and Chad Knaus and they see that some minor "adjusting" of the rules can lead to unprecedented success. That stuff filters down.

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Angelofdeath is right on the money. I hate when you cast out and someone has to get gas, or stop for drinks, or has to go pick up their dog after sitting at the club for 2 hours b.s.'n. And then drive 100 mph to get to the woods. Those are usually the cast that end up a circus.

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