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Just wondering if i hunt my pup with a silent mouth or a dog with a real tight mouth is he more likely to do the same or is it all genitics

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Genetics.

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The hunts and age is what i think tightens them up on the ground jmo... some are silent from the start im sure but the=is is what ive seen

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If ukc don't tighten the rules up on these silence dogs that all we have in a few more years.

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If ukc don't tighten the rules up on these silence dogs that all we have in a few more years.

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Everyone loves the sound of a good race but a good silent dog will show you more coons and alot closer

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Everyone loves the sound of a good race but a good silent dog will show you more coons and alot closer

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If ukc don't tighten the rules up on these silence dogs that all we have in a few more years.

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If you hunt a dog that likes to tree more than track there is less chance they will be trashy. Not to mension makes Coon hunting look easy. If there is one rule ukc could change that wouldn't bother me would be strike points equal. You still strike your dog in so everyone distinguishes who's dog is who and you could shut dogs out on strike if your trees before the others get struck. I've been beat more times than not by a dog that's loose barks and trees second than one that strikes last and trees first. We are still calling them coonhounds I think. Yeah its great to have a strike dog. But a loose barking dog still beats a great strike dog. I was hunting a sneaky dog ten years ago that got last strike everytime. It puts more pressure on the handler to know that you need to tree first or your not gonna beat the first strike second tree dog. I had a female I bred to him she was first strike dog but was no match for him when it came to treein first. I won more in the hunts with her than I did with him it was alot easier. I would like to see the change.

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I've seen dogs that bark when they smell Coon. Get alot of den and brushpiles field tiles leaning trees backtracks. There are dogs that strike when they know which way the track is heading. Those dogs are ok and make pretty good competition dogs if they stay treed. I enjoy hunting the kind that are able to smell just as good probably better but they don't blow there cover. You tree all types of coon. Lay ups ghost coons coons sitting right above dogs head. With those type corn field races are a thing of the past. Not saying I wouldn't hunt one that opens quick. It better not bark very much. Id keep hunting with the silent mouth dog genetics or not there showing the pup how to get it done faster.

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I've never tried this but i would think genetics would take over. As long as the pup still goes with the older dog, i would think he would do what in his genes when he catches on. Just like treein style or his locate or whatever.

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Back to the question... Hunting a pup with a silent mouth dog will not have any effect on how said pup opens on track. My Boone dog was 99% silent on track, he was never hunted with silent mouth dogs while I was training him. My Pride dog opens good on track and he was trained with Boone.

It's all in its genetic make up.

Some dogs may learn to go silent with age but hunting with open trailers or silent dogs will not effect what the pup does.

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the only problem I would have with that is , wondering if he was barking in the right place or not, pups don't need any excuse to babble, if you have a Garmin, you can pretty much tell what's going on but if you don't then , you might want to stay close so you can maintain some discipline for loss barking jmop

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by HOBO
Back to the question... Hunting a pup with a silent mouth dog will not have any effect on how said pup opens on track. My Boone dog was 99% silent on track, he was never hunted with silent mouth dogs while I was training him. My Pride dog opens good on track and he was trained with Boone.

It's all in its genetic make up.

Some dogs may learn to go silent with age but hunting with open trailers or silent dogs will not effect what the pup does. [/QUOTE


you have to know why a dog barks 1st some dogs get excited when let out of boxes.young dogs may be the track as it gets older the rewards at the tree and it don't get excited over the track.

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Originally posted by HOBO
Back to the question... Hunting a pup with a silent mouth dog will not have any effect on how said pup opens on track. My Boone dog was 99% silent on track, he was never hunted with silent mouth dogs while I was training him. My Pride dog opens good on track and he was trained with Boone.

It's all in its genetic make up.

Some dogs may learn to go silent with age but hunting with open trailers or silent dogs will not effect what the pup does.

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the only thing hunting a pup with another dog does is expose the pup to coon, its not to teach it how to track or how to tree.
although some dogs are silent because of genetics, some dogs become silent because they are smart and have learned if they keep their mouth shut they can ambush coon or they have learned they can slip off from the other dogs if they shut their mouth.
with that said,,, the only problem or sign I have seen with starting a pup with a silent dog is that even though the pup is in the woods hunting, it ends up just going to the other dog when the other dog gets treed because it has slipped off away from the pup..
if you keep the mind set that you are only exposing the pup to coon and break the pup off and hunt it alone once you see it is trying to get after coon because you have exposed it enough to coon that the pup now wants coon bad enough to hunt for them, you'll be ok using the silent dog to expose the pup to coon.
as with starting any pup with another dog , if you wait till the pup is tracking and treeing with the other dog you have waited way past the time the pup should of been singled out. coon dogs are bred to track and tree for anything they want bad enough. if you expose it to coon until it wants coon bad enough it will learn to track them and tree them on its own if given the chance to hunt alone. the longer you wait to hunt it alone the harder it will be to get the pup to go alone without you or the other dog going with it...

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Yawl got to remember they are just pups and they will learn from what they Follow

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Toecutter, I been meaning to ask you...where exactly is that river in Michigan????? I feel like it would be a good place to take wifey on a little vacation sometime!!!!

I agree with you on the very good point that many pups are hunted with an older dog way too long. Once they know what a coon is...they need time with coons, not dogs.

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I hunted lots of pups with an old semi silent dog. None of them turned out that way. Now to address the statement about ukc gonna be full of silent dogs. Just when's the last time you been to a hunt? They far from silent. I mean far from it. Matter of fact. Its on the very opposite end of silent lol.

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I don't get beat by them because I scratch them.

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Can you scratch them if they open 3 or 4 times before they tree. If you can I think we should start scratching loose barking dogs.

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I hate to say it guys a smart hound keeps his mouth shut. Not everyone trains pups the same I found a faster way to do it just hunting pup by itself. At some point you have to introduce them to other dogs at a tree. These dogs today no doubt have genetics. Just like the workfield if someone shows you a shortcut and you don't take it your either stubborn or dumb.

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Hay Joe we stricken on third bark im not talking about semi opening dog, im talking about a dog that's falls treed with out opening on the ground.

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Only people that dont like a silent dog are the ones with babbling covering dogs that cant tree a coon alone.

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Yup

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