UKC Forums - Another Rule Question

	UKC Website :: Hunting Ops :: All-Breed Sports :: Registration :: UKC Online Store

UKC Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.3.0

UKC Forums > Departments > UKC Coonhounds > Another Rule Question

Last Thread Next Thread

Author

Thread

T-Monroe
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Feb 2012
Location: Xenia, Ohio
Posts: 578

Another Rule Question

Ok here is the question: handler calls wrong dog and is warned, but same handler has a backup handler that takes over after first handler was warned and 2nd handler calls wrong dog. Is the dog scratched or do you warn the 2nd handler and let the dog keep hunting? I know what Rule 6 (k) says, but it doesn't seem to cover this question with a backup handler.

Just curious how this would play out...My thoughts are the warning stays with the hound and not the handler, but I could be wrong.

__________________
Monroe Bluetick Hounds

GRNITECH GRCH 'PR' Monroe's Ramblin Rex
GRCH 'PR' Monroe's Miss Karlie
NITECH GRCH 'PR' Monroe's Bawlin Jake

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

09-08-2016 05:14 PM

Click here to Send T-Monroe a Private Message

mnash88
UKC Forum Member

Registered: May 2014
Location: Maryland
Posts: 193

The way that rule is written, it says "on second offense if HANDLER calls another handler's dog". The warning is never for the hound because it's a handler-related offense.

Is the back-up handler in the woods with the cast and should they know what the dog sounds like? Probably. I don't necessarily agree with this but the way it's written I would say the back up handler would get a warning as well because you are talking two different handlers at that point.

__________________
Melissa Nash
Appalachian Blues Kennel
www.facebook.com/appalachianblues

Your #1 source for custom paracord show leads, tree tie leads, GPS lanyards & gun slings since 2014!

Stud dog & kennel ad design

BBCHA Member, MD State Rep
BBOA Member

WCH NITECH GRFCH GRCH PR Appalachian Blue Catfish HTX (ACHA SC, TC, CHT)
-Available at stud!
-Cast wins in 4 states & 3 registries!
-2015 world show qualified
-2015 Tri-State Houndsman Assoc Christmas Classic High Scoring Dog
-2016 Pink Hunt final 4 cast
-UKC Performance Sire

NITECH CH 'PR' Appalachian Blue Luna
-2016 Tri-State Houndsmen Assoc Christmas Classic Queen of Show
-cast wins in 3 different states
-2021 World Hunt Qualified

FCH CH 'PR' Appalachian Blue Smokey
-2020 World Show Qualified

Mountain Feist -
Meadow Mountain Joker (WTDA BNCH, UKC CH)
Meadow Mountain Whistlin Dixie

♡ GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN ♡
GRFCH WCH 'PR' Appalachian Blue Raven
-2017 MD State BBCHA Queen of Show
CH PR Walkin' After Midnight
Chocolate Lab/Waterfowl Buddy - Banjo

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

09-08-2016 05:30 PM

Click here to Send mnash88 a Private Message

turman
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 439

I would think dog is scratched. I don't think changing handlers would reset the warning.

__________________
Pete Rhines

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

09-08-2016 05:56 PM

Click here to Send turman a Private Message

mnash88
UKC Forum Member

Registered: May 2014
Location: Maryland
Posts: 193

That's the way I think it *should* be but the way the rule is written for the handler makes me think that if you have 2 handlers that might be one warning for each.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

09-08-2016 06:13 PM

rob thompson
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Jan 2016
Location: Bois d'Arc, MO.
Posts: 1823

First offense is minus not a warning! Second is scratch it's not like fouls in basketball if you don't know the dog don't hunt it.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

09-08-2016 06:26 PM

Click here to Send rob thompson a Private Message

ThatBlueDog
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Sep 2015
Location: Ohio
Posts: 113

Refuse call

Isn't there a rule that says the judge has the right to refuse a call? I usually give one warning when I judge then minus them. I feel like scratching a guy for other than fighting and off game is an easy way out for the win.

__________________
The guy who has to brag about his dog has everything to prove. If it ain't blue it ain't true.

Josh Brewster 330-360-8306

CH NITECH 'PR' That Blue Dog Copper'
Missasissy�s Bad Hatchet

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

09-08-2016 06:44 PM

Click here to Send ThatBlueDog a Private Message

mnash88
UKC Forum Member

Registered: May 2014
Location: Maryland
Posts: 193

quote:
Originally posted by rob thompson
First offense is minus not a warning! Second is scratch it's not like fouls in basketball if you don't know the dog don't hunt it.

I agree with the statement if you don't know the dog you shouldn't be hunting it but where are you getting that first offense is a minus? Unless you're considering that under rule 4d? It's not covered under 6k.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

09-08-2016 06:55 PM

Donnie Stevens
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 2767

Rule 4 n

__________________
Friends don't let friends hunt blueticks

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

09-08-2016 07:30 PM

Click here to Send Donnie Stevens a Private Message

Greg Burks
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Oct 2014
Location: East Texas
Posts: 442

quote:
Originally posted by rob thompson
First offense is minus not a warning! Second is scratch it's not like fouls in basketball if you don't know the dog don't hunt it.

This is right.....dog is awarded strike points then minused. .second offense is scratch

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

09-08-2016 07:33 PM

Click here to Send Greg Burks a Private Message

JiM
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Sep 2010
Location: New Paris, Indiana
Posts: 7076

Just follow the rules as written. Like Stevens said, first offense is covered by 4(n), award points called and minus. Second offense is covered by 6(k), scratch the handler. Going to a backup handler changes nothing.
These rules are plain and simple, not sure how they could be misunderstood. No warnings and how the judge feels about scratching doesn't matter. If he can't bring himself to do what the rule says, he should hand off the card.

__________________
UKC Nite Champion Stylish Harry's Trixie - 2017 World Hunt Qualified - Owners - Sizemore/Martin
PKC CH/UKC GrNtCh Stylish Kate - 9/12/08 to 9/23/2016 R.I.P - Owners Sizemore/Martin
AKC/UKC NtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jeff 5/2/2000 to 1/22/2012 R.I.P.
AKC/UKC GrNtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jessi 12/21/04 to 1/21/2011 R.I.P.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

09-08-2016 07:44 PM

Click here to Send JiM a Private Message

T-Monroe
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Feb 2012
Location: Xenia, Ohio
Posts: 578

I better understand it now and the first offense if a handler calls the wrong dog, the Judge will award points called and minus them. Now if a backup handler is used it does not matter because the first offense has already been done and so the dog would be scratched!

Good to know, thanks guys!

__________________
Monroe Bluetick Hounds

GRNITECH GRCH 'PR' Monroe's Ramblin Rex
GRCH 'PR' Monroe's Miss Karlie
NITECH GRCH 'PR' Monroe's Bawlin Jake

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

09-08-2016 07:51 PM