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I know this has been discussed before, but we have nitech, grnitech, and after that, nothing. What if we had a super grand classification? Just a thought?

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We already have the next level, HTX and it has limitless levels.

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Not the same! HTX is nice, but not competition hunting. 5 wins and your a grand. Why not have a super grand title, where you win another 5 hunts and compete against grnitech? I'm just asking? Nothing against HTX hunts, their really fun, but it isn't the same standing there with 3 other hunters and competing. Jmo

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i agree bobby there needs to be somthing i know several guys that have 3yr old grnites that just sit out back i would like to see em break em back out

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There are other kcs to hunt after you grand them out!!!!!!!

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I would like to see use start hunting GR.NT. CH. at our local clubs. Lets say you can get 4 Grands to show up each one put in $10 winner take all? $40 for the calcuta another $30 to $40 for the performance money you would a pretty good night.

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Has another classification even been discussed? Adding another event like a super grand hunt to a ukc event would be great for ukc, the club, and the hunter, and lets not forget the dog!

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The retrievers have started, finished, and grand titles. The grand titles are only earned at a spring or fall grand hunt. I know it's a little different but the hound guys could tweek it to work.

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Registered, Night Champion, Grand Night Champion classes. I think it would be really cool to have these at every ukc hunt. Might get more people out to hunt????

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I say go for it! It's a win for everybody. The club, UKC, hunters, and dogs. it would also weed out some of the "grand nite coondogs" from the man made grandnite dogs. That way a title would mean something again.

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I like the all grand cast Calcutta idea..

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You could make the rules tougher, like more that 2 circles gets you scratched. There's a lot of things ukc could do to make it interesting! LIKE????

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I've never hunted one but what about the mini-slams. More of them maybe?

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I got back into hunting after a 20 year run in the military over ten years ago. I started hearing from the Old School Hunters I grew up with the common Grand Night of today could not hold a candle to the Grand Night of yester year. After hunting with a lot of the current Grand Nights I started to understood what they meant and did not like what I was seeing.

Why has the quality of Grand Night hounds declined over the years? The old wise men would say that it is because they hunted against 60 dogs or more in local hunts every night compared to 15 to 20 hounds you would find today.

In my opinion, along with others, the honor of the title of Grand Night has been degraded. It's been said that "hunting with so few hounds at a clubhouse has produced them, (Grand Nights), in great numbers and in record times. (If UKC would produce a percentage report of Grand Nights produced from all dogs hunted in the 70's compared to the current numbers of today, I would be interested in seeing the results.)

"Another has been finished to Grand Night!" and the back slapping, high fives and reach-a-rounds are given. All too common today and too easy to achieve at the local club level with the same 15 to 20 dogs showing up.

The dogs that get our attention today are owned and handled by the ones that have the burning desire, can afford, and put them on the road to campaigning at all the big hunts. Multiple "big wins" gets everyone's attention today via the internet. What I'm getting at is, there are Grand Night dogs everywhere in our local clubs, most are not discovered, or rise to the top, because they are not hunted or campaigned in the big hunts thru out the year. They get lost with all the other local Grand Nights that are FINISHED OUT.

So... with that said... I agree, a new title is required for the local competition level for Grand Night coon hounds.

Grand Nights are a dime a dozen and hold the same respect today as a Night Champion and some less in my opinion. Think about how many Grand Nights you have hunted with regularly and thought, "this dog is a hunts like a turd with the worst".... but then you have another Grand Night dog you hunt with regularly and think.... "this is an amazing coon hound".

All Grand Nights today need a new grading level to separate the ones that are hunting like retards and the ones hunting like possible World Champions.

There needs to be a new title for the CONSISTENT, Grand Night Champion coon hounds, hunting today at the club level.

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Nice! You said it about as perfect as it can be said! Tweek the rules a little bit, make the next grand level even more competitive and we'll have a sure fire championship classification!

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Take that Grand Nite champ to a big hunt and show how good he is or go over to the $KC and hunt. The great thing about the $KC we all hunt against each other, titles and degrees don't mean a thing.

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If you make a Super Grand class where does it stop? Once people start making them Super Grand do they then ask for another class? There has to be a stopping point.

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So it's just about the titles then? Once they make grand tie them up in the back yard. That's quite a thought. People always told me competition hunting was about camaraderie and hunting with fine hounds. Liars, all of them. Here we go, Super Fantastic Amazing Champion of the Universe. Now if that title doesn't make them run faster, track and tree harder, then I don't know what will.

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If you make a Super Grand class where does it stop? Once people start making them Super Grand do they then ask for another class? There has to be a stopping point.

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There is another class......world champion!

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How about an htx title being a prerequisite to earning the last (Grand or Supergrand) title.

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HTX= good ole boy club, you have to have passes from three different judge but we can all eat at the same café.

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HTX= good ole boy club, you have to have passes from three different judge but we can all eat at the same café.

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Why dont they just make it harder to make grand, say you have to get two or three wins in a row to get a win towards grand. That will sort out the lucky andthe consistent cast winners will rise to the top.

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I think 5 wins is enough for grand. I think its competitive enough at that level. Its nice to get rewarded along the way, or else you get burned out. Y'all just haven't convinced me yet??? I just don't see the problem with a supergrand, what and who does it hurt? Now answer the question; what and who does it help?

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