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So since this is starting up are any of you bluetickers going to do some cross breeding I'm looking forward to making a cross on andersons wild n blue pounder and a Walker female I own how bout you guys

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My crystal ball tells me that an X breed will win the world before a "pure as the driven snow" bluetick does.

Doubt the breed association will accept the X even if they get to 80%, but you will still be able to take your mutt to town. This could end up being the largest registry in the UKC, what a cash cow,LOL.

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I wouldn't mind breedin to my buddies walker dog

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Decades of pure breeding no all of a sudden we want to cross up I hear the argument it will help a breed or line iif you breed junk to junk its still junk no matter how cross bred . Biggest register that hasn't happens in PKC and pure blood dominate

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Decades of pure breeding no all of a sudden we want to cross up I hear the argument it will help a breed or line iif you breed junk to junk its still junk no matter how cross bred . Biggest register that hasn't happens in PKC and pure blood dominate

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All these predictions about world hunt in five years and them taking over why has it not happens in then other kc if they are so superior

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First of all there has been Crossed dogs place in the super stakes and win state hunts in PKC and the reason there going to do better here in the future is they will be more people making x crosses with UKC passing this its just a matter of time!!!!!!

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Now that the UKC has "legitimized" the X breed their numbers will skyrocket, the world just opened beyond the #KC.. Will be very interesting to see what crosses and lines click.

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I think is a great idea and I plan on doing some cross breeding in the future. I really don't understand all the negativity. It's pretty simple, if you don't agree with it then don't do it!

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So when does this start? And do they have papers to enter a hunt?

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I said it before and I'll say it a million times.. Your great grand pap had xbred dogs. By todays standards they were not worth CRAP !!! WHY do ya want to go back there ??? They certainly didn't reproduce anything or great grandpaw and his buddies wouldn't have started maintaining breedings within a certain breed and they would not have improved as they have. Sure a few superior individuals rose to the top, THEY WERE RARE, FREAKS if you will... You are going to generate HUGE gene pools in these hounds. then you are going to have to breed them back into your breed of choice for 3 generations to be able to return them into that breed. 87% does not make a PUREBRED .. Sorry. but I don't think this is going to benefit us, we will get a few superior hounds out of it, but I don't believe they will reproduce well because of the extreams in their gene pool. Ya better hope for a Freak like Hardtime Speck to show up or this will fail... What are you gonna do with all these 2nd generation pumpkinheads that will be hybrid culls ?? Ya gonna cull or are ya gonna push em off on some poor kid. Who will in turn probably breed the thing and pollute the gene pool even deeper. Sorry guys this is one wagen I won't ride on. I pray ya prove me wrong if ya travel this road, I don't think I'll live to see it..

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Grandpa's dogs are dead and gone.......different gene pool of "superior" dogs to choose from now, right.

Don't want them? Don't breed or buy them, pretty simple, right.

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Wayne, what is a bluetick?????? Where did it come from? I agree about all the pumpkinheads though. Lots of culls coming....but then again, we got allot of them now! Far as reproducing themselves, I have seen contrary to what folks say about crossbreeds not reproducing.

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I hope I'm wrong, I know several will attempt this in all breeds.. Good Luck... The test of time will tell the tale.

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Wow Back in the Day ..

Were they English or were they Blueticks call English ???

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Was he really a Pure Bluetick ??

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Yep .. But he was more Bluetick than anything else Damm Old Vanzants Sam Cross Breed Bluetick Anyhow !! LOL

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Don't want them? Don't breed or buy them, pretty simple, right.

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Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Dang sure ain't nothing to get one's panties in a wad over

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My opinion is why jump to crossbreed crosses when there are so many available options within the breed that are not closely related. Have past and present breeders explored these type breeding to the fullest? For example, let's say someone has a heavy line bred Jet female. Why take it to a Walker or English to add something when it could be taken to say an Uchtman bred stud and the offspring would still be Purple Ribbon bred. If our options for crosses within the breed can not produce the superior dogs that we are all looking for then why are we hunting Blue dogs? I feel that if Bluetick breeders would look at the breed as a whole, and quit breaking it down to lines within the breed and by such being able to utilize the traits and abilities in all lines to produce a better Bluetick, then we all could continue to move forward without cross breeding. That is just my opinion. Bottom line is answering the question, are the traits and abilities to produce a top hound from A to Z all ready in our breed or not?

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I think it matters more, who gets the pups. If we hunted what we have harder, and kept open minds about other blueticks we would not need to open the pr dogs. With that being said I can see how some are tired of the same old closed minded breeding practices. I dont think we ( Bluetickers) will reach out as much as other breeds, but time will tell. This will not be the fix for crappy blue dogs. This will not be the fix for any crappy dog. It should not motivate us to breed, just to raise a litter of x breed pups. It should motivate us to hunt harder and keep a open mind.

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Who is to say the intent of a "X" breeding is for crossing back in with ole blue?

There are multiple reasons a "X" breeding could be made for, none of which have anything to do with an intent to mingle the "X" bred dog back into the blue gene pool.

In the Blue dog realm, the human interpretation factor of "the right kind" or "good" has a lot more to do with the selection of hounds than cross breeding when making a cross with the intent of coming away with dogs that can compete at a high level in competition.

Stan is spot on when it comes to hunting harder, but that time has to be poured into the proper specimen. In my opinion, those kind are not commonly reproduced by any strain or breed. When they do come along, they have proven they do not commonly reproduce themselves.

What specimens yield better odds at coming away with a ball buster in competition? You're guess is as good as mine, cause I darn sure don't have a clue.

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Bring on the x breed......the fact is it's been around for a long time anyways all these old time studs that we hear talked about when it boils down to it was x bred hounds but now that they are allowing to happen out in the open people wanna cry.....it is what it is like center12 said if ya don't like em don't buy em or breed em.

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My opinion is why jump to crossbreed crosses when there are so many available options within the breed that are not closely related. Have past and present breeders explored these type breeding to the fullest? For example, let's say someone has a heavy line bred Jet female. Why take it to a Walker or English to add something when it could be taken to say an Uchtman bred stud and the offspring would still be Purple Ribbon bred. If our options for crosses within the breed can not produce the superior dogs that we are all looking for then why are we hunting Blue dogs? I feel that if Bluetick breeders would look at the breed as a whole, and quit breaking it down to lines within the breed and by such being able to utilize the traits and abilities in all lines to produce a better Bluetick, then we all could continue to move forward without cross breeding. That is just my opinion. Bottom line is answering the question, are the traits and abilities to produce a top hound from A to Z all ready in our breed or not?

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Yep .. But he was more Bluetick than anything else Damm Old Vanzants Sam Cross Breed Bluetick Anyhow !! LOL

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