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Corn in dog food?

What is it about corn as the first ingredient in dog food that can make a dog hot?

I can eat corn and go run and play sports and not overheat. What is the difference?

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Corn doesn't make a dog hot. We been feeding that way for years and years. What makes a dog hot is the feed companies jumping on board telling customers what the dogs need to be eating then raising price.

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hmmmm

wonder why in the winter time the gamefowl always eat the corn first and all of it but in the summer, when its HOT they wont eat all of the corn????

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I believe it is the process involved in digesting corn that creates the heat.

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and i THINK corn is hard to digest maybe has something to do with it but ive seen dogs on cheap feed with lots of corn over heat in the summer hunts more then others

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Corn.......

I don't think corn has anything to do with a dog overheating, I think it has to do with a dog working hard and not being in proper condition. They have to get used to the heat, just like an athlete preparing for his game, same difference ..........

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My thoughts would be, and mind you, this is only a guess, dogs are carnivores, not omnivores, and corn in dog food is like eating cereal for breakfast! Taste ok, but it's just a filler. If you use an analogy of an athlete, great athletes don't eat pizza and hot dogs when working out and competing. I also wonder why my vet carries Science Diet dog food, and I believe the first ingredient in it is corn! My conclusion is, it's your dog, feed them what works best for him or her!

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The Truth About Corn in Dog Food
by Mike Sagman
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Some insist corn is a nutritious dog food ingredient — while others denounce it as nothing more than a problematic cereal grain.

Dog Food CornSo, what should you believe? What’s the truth about corn in dog food?

Is it good? Or is it bad?

Well, that depends on whom you ask.

In general, anxieties expressed over the use of corn in dog food seem to come from consumers — pet owners, breeders and the like.

Whereas the “Corn is Great” crowd appears to include those who have something to gain from making or selling products made with this controversial grain.

Myths About Corn Promoted
by the Pet Food Industry

Makers and sellers of corn-based foods insist the negative stories about corn are simply unsubstantiated myths and rumors spread around the Internet by simple-minded consumers.

The truth is, the pet food industry itself is guilty of disseminating its own self-serving and myth-based distortions, too.

In fact, most of the exaggerated claims extolling the virtues of corn actually originate within the pet food industry and are unwittingly propagated by naive and well-meaning pet owners.

Here are some of the most enduring myths about corn promoted by makers and sellers of corn-based dog foods.

Myth #1
Corn Has a Low Glycemic Index

The glycemic index is a way of measuring the tendency of a specific food to raise the blood sugar level of an animal. The higher the index, the greater the risk of an unhealthy rise in blood sugar.

Here are the actual glycemic index figures1 for a few common dog food ingredients…2

Corn meal (69)
Brown rice (55)
Corn (53)
Oatmeal (49)
Wheat (41)
Barley (25)
Chicken (0)
Beef (0)

Compared to most other ingredients used in making dog food, corn does not have a low glycemic index.

Myth #2
Corn Does Not Cause Allergies

Cheerleaders for corn-based products like to point out that corn is one of the least allergenic ingredients in dog food.

And according to some studies, that is probably true. One report found the incidence of corn allergy to be only 14%.3 And another places corn at just 3% of all allergies.4

Yet to be fair, other reports caution readers not to place excessive value on the accuracy of these studies due to the notable difficulty in confirming the precise incidence of food allergies in dogs.5

In any case, although it may not be a common food allergen, corn still cannot be completely excused as a potential cause.

When searching the Internet for these studies, it’s hard not to notice the thousands of legitimate reports by owners, breeders, forums and veterinary sites reporting corn and other cereal grains as a likely cause of their dogs’ allergies.

And then there’s the (very real) issue of cereal grain quality.

In many cases, problems aren’t so much a matter of allergies to the corn itself but rather to undetected contaminants within that grain.

It’s not unusual to find storage mites, their droppings and expired carcasses in bulk lots of feed grains6. And all of these are known to be notable canine allergens.

So, for these reasons (and until proven otherwise), we believe corn should still be considered a reasonable suspect when investigating the cause of any food-related canine allergy.

Myth #3
Corn Is Highly Digestible

As a whole grain, corn is not easily digestible. Unless the kernel is first refined into a meal or a flour (and then cooked), corn can be very difficult for a dog to digest.

As a matter of fact, corn (and other grains) are only digestible to the extent to which they’re processed.

That’s why even though the grain may be listed as “whole” on a pet food label, it’s nearly always first ground before being cooked into kibble.

And the finer it’s ground, the more digestible corn will be. But also, the higher its glycemic index.

However, to the uninformed, the pet food industry’s claim that corn is “99% digestible” can be misleading. It’s easy to innocently take that statement to mean corn has a high nutritional value, too.

Unfortunately, as you’ll see, that is simply not the case.

Myth #4
Corn Has a High Biological Value

There’s nothing unique enough about corn’s content that makes it a nutritional standout — nothing that can’t be found in, or converted from, some other ingredient. Not even protein.

And to those who insist the protein content of a corn kernel has some important biological value we present the following table…7

Dog Food Ingredients and Their Biological Value

When it comes to its protein usability, corn has a measurably lower biological value.

Myth #5
Corn Is Rich in Vitamins and Minerals

Fans of corn also like to claim the grain is high in anti-oxidants and minerals.

High in anti-oxidants and minerals? Compared to what?

Aside from its energy content, corn’s nutritional completeness is certainly not exceptional.

The Nutrient Balance Completeness Score is a measure of how complete a food is with respect to vitamin, mineral and dietary fiber content. The higher the score of a food, the more complete its nutrients.

According to information gathered by NutritionData.com8 from the USDA’s National Nutrient Database for Standard Reference, the Completeness Score for corn and a number of other common ingredients are listed here in increasing nutritional value…

Brown rice (33)
Corn (34)
Barley (36)
Oats (43)
Quinoa (45)
Wheat (48)
Potato (51)
Peas (53)
Sweet potato (55)
Spinach (91)

So, when it comes to judging its vitamin and mineral content, corn is mostly unremarkable.

Myth #6
Corn Is a Superior Source of Energy

Some pet food manufacturers like to point out that corn is a better source of energy – especially for working animals – than meat.

However, science proves this to be yet another myth.

Consumers shouldn’t favor a dog food because “protein” is the first ingredient. They should choose a dog food because meat is the first ingredient.

That’s because meat doesn’t just contain protein – it also contains fat.

Corn is mostly fat free. It’s a carbohydrate.

From a scientific standpoint (and not marketing hype), here’s the actual energy scorecard for each of the 3 macronutrients9 found in all food:

Nutrient Calories per Gram

The following caloric information is based upon the USDA’s National Nutrient Database for Standard Reference and published by NutritionData.com10:

Dog Food Ingredient Calories per Gram

Ounce-for-ounce, science proves meat contains significantly more energy than corn.

The Truth About Corn

So, why is corn used so abundantly in the manufacture of today’s commercial dog foods?

Well, as you’ve just seen, surely not because it could be considered more nutritious.

Then, could corn be “more natural”?

When you study a dog’s natural ancestral history, you won’t find any mention of corn. That is, until the year 1956. For that was the year indelibly marked by the invention of kibble.

So, why did the introduction of kibble bring with it such a dramatic rise in the use of corn in making dog food? What suddenly made carbohydrates (like corn, grains and potatoes) so popular with the pet food industry?

The truth is…

Carbohydrates are cheap
Carbohydrates are vital to the kibbling process

You won’t find corn in commercial dog food because it contributes some unique nutritional property. No, it’s there simply because it supplies cheap calories to the product.

And starchy carbohydrates play a critical role in a process known as gelatinization — a process which is absolutely crucial to the workings of kibble machinery.

As proof, how often do you find corn in a raw or canned dog food?
In a nutshell, corn makes any pet food you find it in less expensive to produce. And it does this by diluting a recipe’s more costly meat ingredients.

Kibble is simply inexpensive fast food for dogs. And that’s OK. Because corn doesn’t just save money for manufacturers. It also makes dog food more affordable for pet owners, too.

However, to advertise that corn is included in commercial dog food primarily for its nutritional benefits is misleading — and a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

It may be OK for a dog food to contain corn. However, it’s not OK for a manufacturer to make such outrageous claims about this rather ordinary cereal grain in a deceptive attempt to mislead consumers and to exaggerate its true nutritional value.

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My argument against corn is how many times has anbody seen a wolf a coyote or a dog grazing in a corn field

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quote:
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My argument against corn is how many times has anbody seen a wolf a coyote or a dog grazing in a corn field



LOL! I can show you a field that the coyotes regulary clean out 3-4 Acres of corn. Granted it is when it is in the roasting ear stage and slightly after.
and about 4 years ago a fellow had me bring my hounds to his sweet corn patch--- also set 3 live traps there for coon and caught several BUT when the rain hit the story was told.. there was at least 3 coyotes picking ears and taking them to a certain spot to eat them they had a pile of cobs about the size of a 8 ft pick-up bed. NO COON TRACKS there. them suckers will also eat gobs of apples..

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whole corn is not much use--- as stated it must be ground and if cooked(like mush or Cornbread) the dogs do just fine-- the first hound I had lived to be 13 years old and ate plenty of boiled corn meal..he got some whole rabbits too but they surely would keep the tape worms in supply.\\

condition is what makes a dog keep from getting hot--- a little excess fat on that bugger will do it in a hurry
bottom line is the "best dog food in the world"is not much good if you cannot afford it or the dogs will not eat it.

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Re: Corn.......

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I don't think corn has anything to do with a dog overheating, I think it has to do with a dog working hard and not being in proper condition. They have to get used to the heat, just like an athlete preparing for his game, same difference ..........


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Corn.......

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My argument against corn is how many times has anbody seen a wolf a coyote or a dog grazing in a corn field


A close buddy had a trail cam set on the edge of a cornfield , he said there were several animals that came to feed on it, deer, coon, fox, squirrel, coyote, and even a groundhog at 1 a.m.........lol

That's about saying you never see a Buck mating with a Doe, but we know it happens, right.............

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GUYS I AIN'T REAL SMART BUT CORN BUILDS HEAT IVE FED CORN AND OATS FOR MANY YRS TO HORSES YOU CAN FEED CORN HEVY IN THE WINTER AND YOU HAVE TO CUT IT BACK IN THE SUMMER MONTHS OR IT WILL BURN A HORSE UP AND THE SAME THING WITH CORN IN DOG FOOD IT'S GONNA MAKE HEAT

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You have to cut back on any type of feed during the summer months. Before the feed companies started their sales pitch we never argued about corn in our feed.

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Corn is a carbohydrate (sugar, glucose...etc.) its a quick burning fuel for a dog.
A dogs primary source of energy should come from fat,protein then carbs. in that order.
Try finding a feed with 40-60 % fat (good luck)
Feeds with 40-60,% carbs are plentifull.

A humans body use of energy is just the reverse. Carbs. fat then proteins . If u r going to understand how a dog response to certain fuels most people need to change there thinking when it comes to dog food

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Ive seen deer dogs fed the cheapest grocery store brand dog feed their owners could buy run all day in early Sept heat here in SC. IMO, this no corn, grain free kick is nothing more than a sales pitch to help feed companies increase their profit margins.

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A dog's digestive system is optimized and finely tuned to process and digest meat. Now they can and do digest corn but I believe the overheating problem comes from how their bodies break down that corn. When a dog eats corn based feed their digestive system floods with excessive gastric acids in an attempt to break it down. Witch in turn leads to other problems like loose or runny and lots of excrement.... I look at it like this a dog is a finely tuned turbo diesel engine. Feeding it corn is like pouring 5 gallons of gas in with your diesel fuel in the tank. Yeah the truck will run..... but not at optimum performance..

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