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Would this be too close? Can you get too much Rabble or too much Sally?

........................................Gr Nt Ch T-Top Rabble Rouser
..............................Gr Nt Ch Bear's CrossCountry Deuce
........................................Gr Nt Ch Sterki's Machine Gun Annie
................Nt Ch L's CrossCountry Bear
........................................Gr Nt Ch Farr's Ramblin Red Little Zack
...............................Gr Nt Ch Long Tall Sally
.........................................L's Timber Sweetie
....Pups
..........................................Gr Nt Ch T-Top Rabble Rouser
.................................Gr Nt Ch T-Top Haze
...........................................Nt Ch Soggy Bottom Red Wire
.................Gr Nt Ch Chicken Foot
............................................Gr Nt Ch Farr's Ramblin Red Little Zack
....................................Gr Nt Ch Long Tall Sally
..............................................L's Timber Sweetie

Or would this be better....
.............................................Gr Nt Ch T-Top Rabble Rouser
...................................Gr Nt Ch Bear's CrossCountry Deuce
..............................................Gr Nt Ch Sterki's Mahine Gun Annie
....................Nt Ch L's CrossCountry Bear
............................................Gr Nt Ch Farr's Ramblin Red Little Zack
.....................................Gr Nt Ch Long Tall Sally
..............................................L's Timber Sweetie
.....Pups
...............................................Gr Nt Ch T-Top Rabble Rouser
.......................................Gr Nt Ch T-Top Haze
................................................Nt Ch Soggy Bottom Red Wire
.....................Nt Ch Wendy
.................................................Gr Nt Ch Rabble Rouser
........................................Gr Nt Ch River Ridge Willow
..................................................Gr Nt Ch Long Tall Sally

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I would say that is for sure a linebred cross?

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Too much ice cream will make you sick.

Too much tree power can make some people sick. But too much track will make almost everyone sick. The trick is to balance the two. Bear, Chick and Wendy seem to have accomplished this. But I don't know what will happen if they are bred back together. The pups out of Moose X Wendy sure do have a lot of tree power but they are only 10 months old.

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I would say Bear and Chicken cross is the better of the two.

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I have done the same type of cross as the Bear/Chicken Foot. As long as your don't have a bad problem in those it should work. You better be looking for something outside the box the breed those pups to when the time comes. I would suggest Bill Lash's Ruger dog.

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It's a half brother half sister cross. Then you've got Haze as the sire to both of the dam's. With Sally as the mom and grandma. With Rabble Rouser being the ony thing different but since he is Haze's and Deuce's sire then that's really the same blood too. So since the is all the same blood just in different places or different names on the hound then is basically like a full brother full sister cross. So definitely would be called inbred by UKC back in the day. Now as far as the hounds produced from it. If there's no unacceptable faults then should work fine. This will also work as a way to prove what you have is solid if it works and if it doesn't you'll know that too. Either way should be a good expiriment. I'd go for it.

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I hunt one from a half brother half sister cross.....I give it a thumbs up

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Have you thought about Wendy back to Don's Deuce dog. I'd roll that around but I'm no expert.


....................Rabble rouser
.....Deuce
....................Annie

pups

............................Rabble Rouser
....................Haze
.............................Red Wire
.....wendy
..............................Rabble rouser
..................Willow
..............................Sally

It looks pretty good to me.

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Did I have a bad Idea? lol Sorry I killed the thread.

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Preston, Deuce thinks that's a great idea.

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I think it is too! They'd be get treed type dogs. Im sure of it

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does the dog and bitch throw whatever traits you are looking for every litter? And was it passed down from every generation through their ancestors on both sides? that's all a pedigree means to me. I'm not criticizing your dogs, and I realize most breedings don't work out. Just saying

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Well, I have decided to go another way and this is for sure going to be a linebred cross.......half brother X half sister.
...............................................................Gr Nt Ch T-Top Rocky
...............................................Gr Nt Ch T- Top Rat
................................................................Solberg's Roxy
...................................Gr Nt Ch T-Top Rabble Rouser
..............................................................Gr Nt Ch Hoff's Bomber
.................................................Gr Nt Ch T-Top Raven
...............................................................Gr Nt Ch Morieta's Bell
........................Gr Nt Ch Soogy Bottom T-Top Haze
................................................................Gr Nt Ch Rusty Red
...................................................Gr Nt Ch Hoff's Bomber
.................................................................Nt Ch Hoff's Lil Sis
....................................Nt Ch Soggy Bottom Bombers Red Wire
..................................................................Gr Nt Ch Rusty Red
....................................................Gr Nt Morieta's Bell
.................................................................Gr Nt Ch Hoff's Brandy
........Gr Nt Ch Hutch's Big Walnut Boone
.................................................................Nt Ch Swann's Rolex
.....................................................Manson's Duke
.................................................................Prestons Shooting Star
.....................................Gr Nt Ch Ragged Ridge C D
.................................................................Nt Ch Dark Timber Bart
.....................................................Manson's Babe
.................................................................Posey's Rosebud
........................Nt Ch Reba
.................................................................Gr Nt Ch Peels Pepper
.....................................................Gr Nt Ch Stepp's Little Pepper
.................................................................White's Little Jill
.....................................Gr Nt Ch Pepper Ann
.................................................................Gr Nt Ch Saline River Rat
......................................................Gr Nt Ch Moonlight Kate
...............................................................GrNtCh Wapsie Rvr Cookie
.Pups
........................................................Gr Nt Ch T-Top Rat
.......................................Gr Nt Ch Rabble Rouser
.................................................................Gr Nt Ch Hoff's Bomber
.........................................................Gr Nt Ch Raven
...................................................................Gr Nt Ch Morieta's Bell
.........................Gr Nt Ch Soggy Bottom T-Top Haze
..........................................................Gr nt Ch Hoff's Bomber
........................................Nt Ch Soggy Bottom Bombers Red Wire
...........................................................Gr Nt Ch Morieta's Bell
...........................................................
.........Nt Ch L's Dark Timber Wendy
......................................................................Gr Nt Ch T-Top Rocky
.......................................................Gr Nt Ch T-Top Rat
.......................................................................Solberg's Roxy
.........................................Gr Nt Ch Rabble Rouser
......................................................................GrNt Ch Hoff's Bomber
.........................................................Gr Nt Ch T-Top Raven
.......................................................................GrNtCh Morieta's Bell
..........................Gr Nt Ch River Ridge Willow
...........................................................Gr Nt Ch Ramblin Red Lil Zack
..........................................Gr Nt Ch Long Tall Sally
............................................................L's Timber Sweetie

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Take a male from top cross and go back to willow. I would like a pup from that. DANG RICHARD! you are comin along. you better stay with old buck and mr. mike. they are lookin good. I have something to breed back to all that.YA. YA.YA. GO RICHARD!!!!!!

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1) Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Nighty Nite Little Red - (Semen) (Gr. Nt. Yellow River Rocky X Nt. Ch. Gr. F Grw. Maggie)

2) Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Nighty Nite Red Cloud - 4 Years Old (Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. To The Max X Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Moonlight Pepper Ann)

3) Nighty Nite T - (Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Moonlight After Shock X Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Moonlight Pepper Ann)

Females

1) Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Moonlight Pepper Ann - 9 Years Old (Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Steps Little Pepper X Gr. Nt. Ch. Nighty Nite Moonlight Kate)

2) Gr. Ch. Nighty Nite Little Red Sky - 3 Years Old (Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Outlaw Red Moon X Gr. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Moonlight Pepper Ann)

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I decided that a shot of Pepper Ann might be more interesting than 2 shots of Sally.

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