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In one poll I saw where labrador retrievers and beagles were the most popular family pets. Both of these dogs were originally bred as hunting/sporting dogs. Yet, even the most responsible breeders will happily sell these puppies as pets and not worry if they will be hunted. However, most breeders of coonhounds and foxhounds will not sell to a non-hunting home. In fact, coonhounds and foxhounds are not commonly sought as strictly family pets in the first place. It seems that especially foxhound breeders frown on foxhounds being sold as strictly family pets.

A beagle is just as much a hunting dog as a coonhound or a foxhound. A beagle is actually just a miniature foxhound. Why is it so common for a beagle to be strictly a family pet and never hunt at all? The same is true for labs and brittanys, etc. Now you don't hear about many pointers being sought out as strictly family pets. Pointers are still used for their original purpose for the most part, but other sporting breeds like labs, brittanys, spaniels, irish setters, etc. are sought after pets and pets only sometimes.

Why is it that there are only a few breeds left that are still primarily sought after and sold for their original purpose, while the original purpose of most dog breeds is lost to the wind? NO DOG WAS ORIGINALLY BRED TO BE A PET ALONE. They all had purposes for which they were originally bred. How come some have become actually more popular as pets than as hunting/sporting dogs?

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the King Charles Cavilier Spaniel was bred to sit on people's laps and attract fleas to them (the dog) and off the humans

but i believe the answer to your question, i believe that is has to do with breed personality and personality characteristics... coonhounds bark more than labs, beagles are small and can be good apartment pets (as well as labs, minus the small part) both breed are good with kids and have very bubbly personalities

that is why I think they are chosen more but i cannot promise that I'm right lol

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I doubt serious breeders of hunting Beagles or retreiving Labs are willing to sell their pups to pet owners.

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I doubt serious breeders of hunting Beagles or retreiving Labs are willing to sell their pups to pet owners.

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my two inside dogs are 2 walker females and they are good hounds to run. All they do is lay around all day, Great in side pets

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Different lines within a given breed have become popular as pets , usually as a result of popularity in the show ring. Black and tans are a good example, some lines have been bred strictly as show dogs and have lost their ability to hunt. whenever a breed becomes popular as a pet and are bred for the characteristics that make them good pets their original purpose is rapidly lost. But like Jim said in his post. serious breeders of performance dogs strive to put their pups in the hands of hunters.

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I have no problem whatsoever with a hound being a dual-purpose dog, both hunting dog AND pet. That's how it is with my beagle. She is my baby, but she is a hunting dog all the way too. She can go from sleeping on the couch or licking my face to running in the field chasing a rabbit. If I even accidently touch her leash, she is up wagging her tail and barking and ready to hunt.

The point of my post was to say that it is very uncommon for a coonhound and certainly a foxhound to be sold as pets and only pets with no intention to hunt them and keep them as just pets. I was raised with the idea that a hunting dog should never be kept as ONLY a pet. My father was of that belief, and I can't get past that.

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I think that in a lot of breeds such as labs and beagles you generally run into two types of breeding. the house dog and the sporting dog. a lot of these breeders don't hunt. they just like the dog or the money so they breed them and let them go where ever. I know when i bought a springer spaniel and this was 20yrs ago. the breeder had two litters to choose from. one litter was just bred for pets. the other was out of her field ch. male and was for hunting homes.
in coonhounds most who breed are trying to reproduce for ability. coonhounds just don't make good pets. my dogs live in the house and trust me it gets crowded and exciting at times. coonhounds can be lovable. i have one that likes to be a lap dog until you get ready to go out. but for the average person who just wants a pet for a kid coonhounds are not the ticket.
of course i'm not an expert but i think what i said has a lot to do with it.

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I think that in a lot of breeds such as labs and beagles you generally run into two types of breeding. the house dog and the sporting dog. a lot of these breeders don't hunt. they just like the dog or the money so they breed them and let them go where ever. I know when i bought a springer spaniel and this was 20yrs ago. the breeder had two litters to choose from. one litter was just bred for pets. the other was out of her field ch. male and was for hunting homes.
in coonhounds most who breed are trying to reproduce for ability. coonhounds just don't make good pets. my dogs live in the house and trust me it gets crowded and exciting at times. coonhounds can be lovable. i have one that likes to be a lap dog until you get ready to go out. but for the average person who just wants a pet for a kid coonhounds are not the ticket.
of course i'm not an expert but i think what i said has a lot to do with it.

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coonhounds make GREAT house pets, just need to train them well and they get better as they get older

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but yest i believe your right on the "two lines of breeding" for pets and hunting dogs, i bread to have mine in the house, hunt, show and compete in water and field events lol

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Don't forget the average coonhound has been known to shake a skunk now and again. Once is enough if they live in the house.

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Blueticks seem to be the lastest casualty of the pet trade. There is a kennel that is breeding them big time for pets. It is the beginning of the end for any breed when they become sought after by the pet industry.

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to me as a hound grows old he becomes a lazy dog.
how many good dogs are prod. out of a litter that
will go out and tree a coon on its own?i am glad somebody
wants them.

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deffinatley keep him as a hunting dog first and formost but yes he is my pet too. He comes in the house when its cold or hot or rainy or if im just lonley. He sleeps in the laundry room. When i take him hunting he goes just as good as any other coonhound that is not a pet. All my coonhounds in the past have always been like him. I only keep on eat a time (2 at the most). and when i get a good one i keep him till he dies. Ive had Jake my current english hound for the past 7 years since he was 6 weeks old. Ill have him till he dies. When he goes ill go back up to wv and see Charley adkins about gettin another out of hos stock. For those that have multiple dogs it would deffinatly be harder to keep them as pets. I do see that.

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Mr Buller, I think you and several others have gotten sidetracked from the original question. This wasn't a post about keeping your coondog in the house, it is about whether or not a coonhound breeder would sell a pup to a buyer that they knew would never hunt the dog. I doubt most would.

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Well, I probably will get eaten alive here, but as a breeder and a somewhat trainer of labs and now coonhounds, my belief has always been that these dogs be pets as well as hunting dogs. A dog needs to know that he has a purpose and that purpose is to do his job to please his owner. How can a dog know his owner if he goes to the kennel once a day and throws a little feed in the pan and go back to the house and watch t.v.

If a hound is raised in the house, he gets used to all of your body language and your voice commands. He is part of your unit. He does what you do. If you go hunting, he goes too and he knows that his part of the team is to find the game. But at the same time, he is your therapy dog and if he is trained correctly in the house, he or she knows the rules and has to obey them. Just like your kids. You have to potty train your kids, you dogs need to be potty trained, they just don't wear diapers.

With my dogs, I watch them closely and when they start to sniff around, I take them out. I don't just shove them out the door and say GO POTTY, I go with them and when the do go, I tell them good dog! then let them back in the house. You see, we are a team. Then when it is time to go hunting, because of my disability, I can't go, but the dog goes with my husband and it is just like going with Daddy.

There is nothing wrong with a coon dog being both a pet and a hunting dog. I strongly recommend it.

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i'm a GOOD breeder for redbone (out of the two litters i've had anyways lol) but i will gladly let my redbones go to pet homes, as long as they understand the breed and personality traits and whatnot of the dog, and they will take GOOD CARE of the hound, not let it get fat or anything

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Well, I probably will get eaten alive here, but as a breeder and a somewhat trainer of labs and now coonhounds, my belief has always been that these dogs be pets as well as hunting dogs. A dog needs to know that he has a purpose and that purpose is to do his job to please his owner. How can a dog know his owner if he goes to the kennel once a day and throws a little feed in the pan and go back to the house and watch t.v.

If a hound is raised in the house, he gets used to all of your body language and your voice commands. He is part of your unit. He does what you do. If you go hunting, he goes too and he knows that his part of the team is to find the game. But at the same time, he is your therapy dog and if he is trained correctly in the house, he or she knows the rules and has to obey them. Just like your kids. You have to potty train your kids, you dogs need to be potty trained, they just don't wear diapers.

With my dogs, I watch them closely and when they start to sniff around, I take them out. I don't just shove them out the door and say GO POTTY, I go with them and when the do go, I tell them good dog! then let them back in the house. You see, we are a team. Then when it is time to go hunting, because of my disability, I can't go, but the dog goes with my husband and it is just like going with Daddy.

There is nothing wrong with a coon dog being both a pet and a hunting dog. I strongly recommend it.

Lorretta

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i have walker dogs and i have 2 females that are house pets and they love to just cuddle up to me at night in bed and they are the best house pets ever...they go hunting then come in and get baths and then become lap dog,..

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I not only dont let my dogs go to non-hunters, I rarely let them go to any but a few hunters. I want my dogs to have every chance to hunt and be proven. Then just maybe one will make it back to the brood pen.

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I raise Beagles and sell pups every other year or so. I can proudly say I have not sold to a pet only home. That said my favorite is a home where they hunt their housedog. People are interested because they are small and cute....until they get one and want to keep him in an apartment...

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Did you pay up the litter nom on those two litters for the UKC PRP program? PKC SS program? AKC SBC program? Was your stud DNAd? Is your bitch DNAd? I doubt it. If you had enrolled your pups in those programs like many serious breeders do, then I doubt you'd be in favor of selling those pups to buyers that you know are never gonna pay up the permanet nominations or possibly even register that pup. That is not to say that you cannot be serious about your breeding program without paying into those programs but many do and many want pups enrolled in those programs.

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That is not to say that you cannot be serious about your breeding program without paying into those programs but many do and many want pups enrolled in those programs.

Typical woman, can't read what is written, just want you want to see.
My point was that many coonhound breeders pay up the litter for all the programs in which case they are not gonna want to sell those pups to someone who they know is not going to participate in those programs.

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Yes, my original question was- why are some hunting breeds so popular in the pet market while others are not? I agree that beagles and labs can be sold in two categories, hunting dogs and pet dogs. The point I was trying to make is that it is just as common if not more common for those breeds to be sold strictly as family pets rather than hunting dogs. Sure, there are some breeders of those dogs that would never sell to a non-hunting owner, but for everyone of them you can find ten breeders who breed them ONLY as pets. I wanted to see if anyone had an opinion as to why this is true of beagles and labs and others but not true of coonhounds and certainly not foxhounds. How many people seek to buy a foxhound puppy to be ONLY a pet for the family?

Of course some wannabe pet owners are so stupid that to them a foxhound is a "giant beagle". They don't even know the purpose or history of the breed. Beagles are so popular in society that when people see foxhounds or walker coonhounds they think they are beagles on steroids. I've also seen people who think that redbones and black and tans are bloodhounds. That's because bloodhounds are well known in the populace.

And then there are some people who will buy a dog and have not a clue what they even are. Several years back I was down in Canton, Texas at the trade days. There was a guy there with a litter of redbone puppies. A woman and her husband were there looking for a puppy to take back to their New York apartment. This couple was totally clueless as to the redbone breed but was totally taken in by how cute the puppies were. They just had to have one. I knew they were clueless because they were asking the guy all kinds of questions such as, "What is this breed called again? How big will it get?, etc.". And then the guy had the puppies' mother there in back, and the couple asked to see the mother to see what the puppies would look like grown. They bought a puppy and took it home to live with them in their New York City apartment.

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That is not to say that you cannot be serious about your breeding program without paying into those programs but many do and many want pups enrolled in those programs.

Typical woman, can't read what is written, just want you want to see.
My point was that many coonhound breeders pay up the litter for all the programs in which case they are not gonna want to sell those pups to someone who they know is not going to participate in those programs.

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i bought a pup about a month ago the wife said it b to cold for her to b outside so she been in the house she almost 3 months old now has never pooped in the house an goes to door to b let out i walker her in the woods yesterday while she smelling around she lost track of me went running back home she didnt see me as for hunting dogs being sold as pets it gonna happen different strokes for differnt folks

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