Okie Hunter
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Re: rule question
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Originally posted by CDOGS
Thanks for all the help on 5 (b) Maybe the rule should specify strike points only because some hunters award tree points also and minus them.
If I understand correctly tree points do not come into play ever if the dog arrives after the judge is at the tree.
Now can someone clarify how to score a dog at the tree but not declared treed when the judge arrives. What to do if the tree is plussed, minused, or cirlcled?
I have always called this particular situation the "pitching dog rule" and felt it needs overhauled.
Here's the flaw in this rule:
If the tree is plussed and my dog is treed, but not declared treed, when the cast arrives, I am minused my strike points because a coon is seen.
If the tree is scored minus and my dog is treed, but not declared treed, I am "awarded" next available position on tree and minused both strike and tree points.
Circle points doesn't really make any difference in UKC, so it really isn't worth mentioning. When was the last time you saw a tie breaker broken by circle points in a UKC hunt? The percentage of that happening is so small that circle points are basically a non-factor in UKC events.
The first part of this is knowing your dog. If my dog has a reputation of covering another dogs tree or is treed before the tree is closed, I will tree him for the lowest amount possible because the way the rule is written. It would be dumb not to because if it's plussed and my dog is there but not declared treed, I am taking a minus. If the tree is minused, I am going to be awarded next available position and minused both strike and tree points. Because of this rule, I see no reason to not tree my dog if he is treeing or if I feel he might be there especially if he has a tendency to cover a dog's tree. Is it wrong to do that? Yes it is, but UKC is the one that has backed me into that corner with the way they have written the rule.
I have always been of the opinion that if a dog is treeing at a slick tree, but not declared treed, he should be minused his strike points only. We do that if the tree is plussed, so why not carry the same penalty for that particular dog if the tree is minused?
When I go to a hunt, I know my dog. In this situation, the rules are taking away my advantage of knowing my dog if he doesn't sound right on a tree and I choose not to tree him. As written, the rule we're talking about gives me little choice but to take the last available tree position before the tree is closed and gamble on the outcome.
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