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A registered bluetick litter just threw a red female. How? Why? Info?

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Because the American Bluetick descended from the English breed. They split in 1946 and worked on breeding the redtick out. From time to time they still will come out. Just like you have English Blueticks.

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The seller said the only info he had about it was someone called them a livertick. It seems like a reccessive gene from long ago. But what else? Her dad had a great line and had never had this before (he's7). Her mom is young and had good lines. Just unproven yet

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They can be red white or blue and once in a while chocolate I be piece it takes both parents to have the recessive gene for that to happen I could be wrong but that's what i've been told

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I think It is recessive from a bird dog some time or another. What they were trying to put in em. I dont know. I like the looks of them though. Should make them a new breed.

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Kind of like this throwback.

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What's the pedigree that is German short hair pointer in that blood line!

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I think It is recessive from a bird dog some time or another. What they were trying to put in em. I dont know. I like the looks of them though. Should make them a new breed.

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Just out of curiosity why would a coon hound breeder want bird dog in his lines? Does anyone know? I've heard about people putting bird dog in their lines on here several times I'm just not understanding what they'd be trying to get from it. Thanks

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It's just a recessive trait from the old English blood.

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I know bloodlines, training, and now and again color/genes play a role in how a dog performs. What do we know about these "throwbacks". Liver colored pups

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I know some guys who mix bird dogs with there deer dogs. They say it makes them work an area better and they just do not blow through a patch of woods.

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Just out of curiosity why would a coon hound breeder want bird dog in his lines? Does anyone know? I've heard about people putting bird dog in their lines on here several times I'm just not understanding what they'd be trying to get from it. Thanks

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I don't know much about the bloodlines on English dogs since I'm a walker man. This male dog is out of Rocker and Main Street female. He doesn't blow through, opens about right on track (not mouthy) and has a real locate, and pretty good tree dog. I ended up with him because he is different. I believe the color is coming from the Rocker dog but not positive on that, I think there was 3 or 4 in that litter.

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I know some guys who mix bird dogs with there deer dogs. They say it makes them work an area better and they just do not blow through a patch of woods.

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Dean accualy nailed it with that comment.

and its true the "liver" tick can be a throwback to the days when English, walker, and bluetick were all the same breed......or a more recent addition as well, I suspect the bird dog theory accualy is prob spot on too.

this same gene accualy shows up in a lot of breeds. almost all who have the "ticking' gene (mottled) and a few others.

bearded collies, several bird dog breeds,........its a long list..

always tied to "red" and usualy (but not always) to the ticking (mottled) gene.

usualy the nose and nails are red instead of black too.

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That one english dog above is the only one Ive ever saw that color in the english breed. I like it becuase it is different. You should let me have it

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Ghorley I have become a believer in the English dogs in the last couple of months!

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AKC History on German Shorthair pointers, States that the germans used English foxhounds and bloodhounds to help develop the breed. It also states that the german shorthairs were used on coon,possum and deer as well as birds. As far as that color coming from the Rocker dog, who knows ? But if putting pointer in them makes your dog hunt close and Rocker has any in him, it back-fired ! From what I hear he will go deep quick.

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ya maybe.............maybe not. fact is it was just a measly 65-75 years ago when english and blues shared the same registry. think about these foundations sires................M&M WALKER BAWLDY was out of mountain music blue blaze x la. dixie blue bell (blueticks). Bawldy is the grt. grndsire of kansas jane and also relation to foresters sue and INDIANA BOONE BOY, he is out of a brother of lousiana fly who was the dam of mountain music blue and blaze. ALSO a full brother to mt music blaze is mt music blue which is the maternal grndsire of acha wrld champion VANZANTS SAM (english). so basically it is just old blood and color showing up............thats why ticked up walkers are the best of the treeing walkers lol showing their blue heritage

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The founder of the walker breed is black. I hardly ever see any black walkers being born. Are they not younger than the english and blues? Looks like more black ones would pop up.

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the three I listed are foundation pillars in the walker breed period and they are very much carring bluetick/english blood.............this is just a matter of history rather you want to believe it or not. I am not here to argue who you or anyone consider the founder but the hounds I listed are very much a great part of it and everything I listed is a fact.

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this is directly from the TW history page.

For the most part you would be correct in saying that the foundation stock for the Treeing Walker Breed came mostly from single registered hounds of the 1940's. With this there are some exceptions.

One exception is WHITE RIVER KING. King was owned by Lester Nance, the person who named these spotted hounds that liked to tree, Treeing Walker. When the Walker breed was finally recognized as their own breed White River King was the first hound registered as a Walker - Treeing. White River King was born in 1932 and he did live into the 40's. His last litter of pups was born in January 1944.

At this time the Walker was still considered part of the English breed. You will notice on King's UKC papers for breed: English Coonhound (Walker - Treeing).

One of the other exceptions is INDIANA BOONE BOY. Boone was born March 14, 1943. He was single registered February 27, 1947. Boone Boy's sire and dam were registered English Blueticks. Actually his father was "PR" bred. The sire and dam of Boone Boy was bred by Elbert Vaughn. Yes that Elbert Vaughn. Actually Indiana Boone Boy could have been a registered English Coon Hound but because of his coloring he was single registered as a Walker Coon Hound.

Warren Haslouer also got some spotted hounds with no ticks out of his English Coon Hounds. People like Dick Hershberger would get some of these hounds to use in their breeding program.

The coloring of the Blueticks of today in most part is a lot darker then years ago when the Bluetick was still part of the English breed.

So these two exceptions to what could be called the foundation stock of the Treeing Walker breed is White River King who was born in 1932 and Indiana Boone Boy who was actually out of registered hounds but was single registered as a Walker because of his coloring.

Most of the other hounds of what would be considered the foundation of the breed are hounds that were single registered and were alive in the 40's and early 50's.

In fact I would consider there to be a number of levels of foundation stock in the Treeing Walker breed.

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Ive also saw several high tan red dog. Got a black blanket back. Like a German Shepard or something. What's that a throwback to recken?

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