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Rabble Rouser sons
Rabble Rouser may just be the best stud producer we have seen for a long time. I was wondering what the difference is between some of the advertised studs out of him. Please no bickering ,I'm looking to see how the different females effected the traits of these studs. Rabble rouser was bred to several top reproducing females and looking at those differences helps.
1.Haze........................ Rabble Rouser / Soggy Bottom Red Wire
2.Moose....................... Rabble Rouser / Long Tall Sally
3.Greatfull Dead Red..... Rabble Rouser / Sterkis Machine Gun Annie
4.Fickens Rocky.............Rabble Rouser / Thomas Midnight Music
There's more sons to pick from but these mothers all seemed to also be good reproducers ,add in any others you like . I'm looking for the differences in the traits.
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GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
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Re: Rabble Rouser sons
quote:Originally posted by Sawblade Rabble Rouser may just be the best stud producer we have seen for a long time.....There's more sons to pick from
Rabble Rouser sired 15 Gr Nt Ch's. How many of these are males and who are they? Kelly, you might just ask what were the traits of the females bred to Rabble. Rabble was linebred and produced about the same traits for his part. You are right, the difference in his pups seemed to come from the females that he was bred to. Haze is like his mother and Moose is like his mother. Is Rocky like his mother? What about Greatful Dead Red and Deuce? (I can't believe that you left out Deuce.)
Last edited by Richard Lambert on 03-22-2014 at 04:38 PM
Very Loud
Beautiful Bawl Mouth on Track (Nice Locate on the Tree)
Loud hard Chop on Tree (100-125 Bpm)
First or Second Strike Dog in Competition
Lots of drive and hunt (never stands at your feet)
Medium to deep hunter (will go 700 yards to a mile to get struck if needed)
First Tree most of the time in competition
Independent (Likes to Split)
Very Accurate (strong point in competition will not back a slick tree and many times will go on and get the coon)
Does not have a mean hair on him, Can train pups with him (have had him stay with a mean dog at the tree)
Extremely intelligent (above average, is car smart when he is by the road)
Good disposition with people
Can put up big scores in competition
Very Competitive
Nice looking hound, very well put together (Dark Red)
Medium nose to cold,( hard to judge a dog on his nose here because of the amount of coon we have)
Red is easy to catch (can call him out)
Can win anywhere he is hunted
In his pups he throws:
Very quick starting pups by 5-8 months most are running track and treeing
Pups out of him have lots of drive
Throws nice looking pups, lots of dark Red ones
A lot of his pups have really nice cat feet
Every pup out of him has a loud mouth
Pups that are getting hunted also do not stand at your feet, they go hunting right away and stay gone
Last edited by timber hunter on 03-22-2014 at 05:17 PM
Told me that Machine Gun Annie was one of the very best he owned. He said she was an extremely competitive dog and was loud and treed really hard as well. He told me that when she fell out of a tree he was about ready to quit because he liked he so much!!
I would say mouth, drive and being a hard treedog were traits Annie contributed to in RED!!
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They all have the mouth and I don't care how hard they tree. What I am looking for is nose, ability to run a bad track, quickness to get treed, accuracy, independance, disposition, drive, brains and competitiveness (can they win).
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We are planning to breed some of these nice RED females back to Moose. I really like that Ace breeding Sally has in her. You sure were a blessed man to own her Richard!!! Even though I had nothing to do with the breeding of RED, feeling both lucky and blessed to own him!!!
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Re: I really like the breeding on Long Tall Sally
quote:Originally posted by timber hunter You sure were a blessed man to own her Richard!!!
Some nights I have felt blessed and some nights I have felt cursed. And Buck "owned" her longer than I did. But Sally was like a lot of women, she "owned" herself. We were just along for the ride. Sally's #1 trait was that she could get treed very very quick and still be accurate. She was also very competitive. Sometimes a little too competitive. She did not like to get beat getting treed. When she was younger, she would "pout" if she got beat and simply refuse to back the other dog. But as she got older she got over it to some extent. She passed her quickness on to Moose, but he would usually not refuse to back another dog if he got beat.
Maybe Pastor Mike will tell us about Pigeon. Gr Nt Haze was not her only nice offspring.
Has anyone hunted with Thomas's Midnight Music?
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Interesting post. There are some theories out there (especially with horses) that say you should be looking at the mother's side (of the stud) when picking a sire. Rabble sure produced some nice stud dogs, that's for sure.
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And what about Gr Nt Rage who has sired several nice dogs. He is out of Rabble X Page. I have seen him look awfully nice. He was out of Page who was out of Pete X Sage. What did Page contribute to Rage's traits?
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Didn't forget Duece
I'm hoping everyone who has a Rabble Male out of different females can shed some light on the different traits they carry. everyone is welcome to comment. I just didn't want to type all 15 Grnites out. Lazy. I do want to hear about Rage as well.
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GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
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Great info
I have especially been interested in the females out of this line of dogs in recent. I own a couple of them. Being a numbers guy, I'd also be interested in the production numbers on those studs.
How many pups? How many Nitech? How many GrNitech?
Thanks for the info and keep up the good work guys.
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John gave a reai good description of Deuce aswell for the most part. I wish I had more input for this thread, but I don't. Like John, I just bought into all this. But I did do lots of homework before hand and decided this was the line I was looking for. I am seeing from what has been posted on this site over the years that these Rabble stud dogs are throwing a little above average pup's. By that, I mean a few more of them are turnig out to be what we are looking for as far as being coondogs. I am happy that there are more folks bringing there nice females out of there backyards and to these studdogs. I'm sure we will see a big differnce in our breed in the years to come. I am also proud to see more Redbone people seem to be working togather to make our breed better.
This is a good thread, and a great tool for us all to us to breed what we are looking for. This will help a lots of us to find the out crosses that will line up with our linebreeding programs.
There are several studdogs out there today from other lines that are and will bring more and better dogs for us to choose from down the road.
Thanks and keep doing what you are doing. We ARE headed in the right direction.
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Exactly the reason Don
I have no plans on starting over, so I will continue to breed the line of the dogs I have now but there is no reason I shouldn't be looking all the time for the traits I need to make them better. When you finds those traits you need to figure out how best to get them into the dogs you own without souring the pie.
comparing a big bunch of half and full brothers like this can help make quicker work of breeding choices for many people.
It's all good !!!
We should do the same thing with all the studs out of Kate and the many different males she was bred to.
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GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
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Re: Great info
quote:Originally posted by pastorgary I have especially been interested in the females out of this line. I own a couple of them.
So who are they out of and how would you compare their traits as to similarity and differences?
Maybe Pastor Mike and Buck will be brave enough to tell us the similarities and differences in Moose and Haze. They have been hunted together a bunch.
Someone will have to tell us about Rocky. I know that Randy Ficken is a reader and not a talker/typer. I hope to get to see him go next Friday night.
other Rabble dogs that are out of the Midnight Music dog that we are hoping to finish. Music Maker to Grand Night and a friend of mine owns a brother to Rocky & Music that if he does not finish to Nite CH, I will, He looks just like Moose!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Have One Reds You guys should have a 3-night Rabble stud hunt and bring them all together to compare traits in a competition setting.
"In a perfect world" that would happen. But human nature being what it is, we won't ever see it.
Isn't Mark Marshall hunting a male dog out of Rabble? I don't think that he is titled, though. I wonder who his mother is and what he is like? Where is Mark?
Last edited by Richard Lambert on 03-22-2014 at 07:45 PM
has pups on her still. I only know what Don told me so far and my buddy just told me about his Rabble dog. I seen him last week for the first time. He also is loud, he said that he was tight on track and that he was a nice treedog and that he was pretty independent, that's all I know!! But he said that he want to start hunting him in the hunts and finish him to Nite Ch!!
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Open mouth track dogs
From what I've been told, a lot of the rabble stuff are quick to open. Is this a trait passed by rabble Rouser or just a coincidence that a lot of the females he was crosses on passed it?
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He out of the famous Rabble/Music cross. I understand he picked up some of his mother's trait in being a little on the tight side. He doesn't like to open behind another dog. When he opens, he is usually in the lead. He got worse about it as he got older. While I was running him through the Nite Ch. hunts, I would say that he would get 85% first trees. But taking 3rd & 1st was hard to overcome a babbler that covered. Personally, I am impressed by the T-Top tree power, but I never hear of a mean one. I had several Walker guys tell me that he was the best Redbone they had seen in a long time if ever. Griz only has 2 litters on the ground and from reports I have gotten is there was only one that was tight, all the others fully open. I had a male from the first litter that I sold last fall and I am hunting a young one from his last litter now. Both of them open as soon as they smell.
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quote:Originally posted by Richard Lambert "In a perfect world" that would happen. But human nature being what it is, we won't ever see it.
Isn't Mark Marshall hunting a male dog out of Rabble? I don't think that he is titled, though. I wonder who his mother is and what he is like? Where is Mark?
Yes, Mark has been hunting Bad Boy Bo some over the winter but was also caring for his wife who was struggling with cancer so he did not get to hunt very much. At the moment he is enroute to pick up a secret weapon reproducing mo-sheen. Heard a pup from her last litter that isn't even a year old knocked down a 1st last night
Good post.....the females are the key to better and better crosses in my opinion. Your right when you mentioned that rabble consistently throws that mouth and other trademark Rabble characteristics... and the reason why is those are dominant traits in that line because both his mother and his father were line bred dogs who had locked in certain traits.
I hope people see the connection to line bred ancestors and good reproducers....I know I sure do.
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different
It seems we can figure out the traits they all have in common , I was kind of looking for the traits that make them different from each other. Any takers ??
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Proud Breeder of the following dogs
GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,
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