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When did walkers get introduced into the black and tans and is there any proof of it? If you google black and tan coonhound it talks about them being a cross from bloodhound and Virginia fox hound. Im just curious and want to learn more about the breed.

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So is he the only one? Was that years ago? Are there some lines that dont have any walker?

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They all have walker in them. A foxhound is a walker

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Sorry for the questions if they have been asked before, i just enjoy learning. Im not a colorblind person when it comes to coondogs but i sure enjoy them black and tans.

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Your good. I'm full of questions my self. This is just one of those topics that has been beat to death lately and it always causes a fire storm of opinions and perspective. Glad you like B&T though.

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July is a fox hound this is what was used to cross on. Now a walker is a slick treeing idiot that lies and is not in all the black breed.

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BGS2009 in the origin the Black and Tan Coonhound doesn't have Treeing Walkers in them. People have crossed walkers in to the black and tans.

Check out the video link below and it will explain.

The Black and Tan Coonhound is descended from the Talbot hound, found in medieval England after the eleventh century. Its ancestry is then traced through the Bloodhound and the Foxhound to the Virginia Foxhound, commonly called the "black and tan".

http://youtu.be/bUurb0_5cXU

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The good Black dogs usually have a walker within their third generation or closer.

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All breeds have there culls and all breeds have top notch hounds.we can't be that narrow minded mike.

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Yes I've seen a few black dogs that need a bullet. Yes just running my mouth but I've seen far more of them spotted dogs that are tree idiots . Not saying there aren't some good ones I know where a dandy is . I had one out of a big name walker one night made 11 trees 1 coon haha.

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I had one out of a big name walker one night made 11 trees 1 coon haha.

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I don't see where it matters. ALL dog breeds go back to a wolf, if you go back far enough. B&T, Walker and the other coonhound breeds have an interwoven history. The lines between breeds weren't nearly so distinct, back then. Papers didn't mean that much and if a guy needed a registered dog, it wasn't such a big deal to just apply papers from some other dog. Most, if not all, of the foundation of the B&T breed comes through dogs that were dirty papered. If there are any left that weren't dirty papered, then their off breeding is still there, its just further back.

There is spotted dog breeding in the B&T breed history, but there is also black and tan dogs in the walker breed history. I can find walkers today that have little pumpkin seeds above their eyes and blanket backs. Tennessee Lead, a black and tan colored dog, was a foundation sire of the running walkers, who preceded the treeing walkers.

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Haha yea that does put a diffrent perspective on things. I do know I guy up here that has a nice walker he's eight and been a straight dog from about 8 months not trashy when not if he trees there is a coon. Only one I've seen hunt not blow through the woods but then again being fare not hunted with their top dogs. I just like em black

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Yes I've seen a few black dogs that need a bullet. Yes just running my mouth but I've seen far more of them spotted dogs that are tree idiots . Not saying there aren't some good ones I know where a dandy is . I had one out of a big name walker one night made 11 trees 1 coon haha.

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Buddy I'll let you in on a secret....the Walker breed doesn't have the monopoly when it comes to slick treeing idiots.

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Mike R that's not a secret I have seen black dogs do just what you say. But for the most part not as many and yes that hot nosed medium accurate dog is hard to beat in two hours till they miss .Look just running my mouth cuttin up seen a few good walker dogs I like. I'm not on the walker board bashing them so keep hunting what makes you happy that's what it's about anyway

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